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Have 60series, Wont Start *fixed, with pics*

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:07 am
by vanzbrown
alright, seach doesnt work for me anymore, even when i type the word "series" into the toyoya section it says not matches found, fuggit, whatever, thats not my problem...

Just need to be pointed into the right direction...

Problem: over the last few months, the old 60series diesel has been getting smokier and smokier upon startup... This week, still smokier, but definately taking longer and longer to fire, up until now which brings me on here, it wont even start... And im not gunna keep firing away till my batteries die completely...

Any tips... Im sure ive read on here before that the likely problem is injectors, but just wondering other possibilities and what i could try now to get the crunt started...

Many thanks in advance...
Leeroy.

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:18 am
by joel HJ60
White smoke?

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:21 am
by vanzbrown
yeah mate... white smoke, the kind that fills up the whole street... ok once its warmed up and running... but if its been sitting for about 8hrs, look out...

But yeah, no smoke at the moment cuz it wont even go... It tries to start, but yeah, wont fire...

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:42 am
by vanzbrown
ok, found this in another section. Seems it could apply to me, as it did seem to start a lot rougher on cold mornings...
Shadow wrote:Tested my glow plugs on the weekend and found that one was fubarred. replaced it with a Bosch unit ($15 repco) and she starts so much better now. previously it would blow a crap load of white smoke and miss and carry on for about 20-30 seconds. now it starts buetifully again. Cant believe the difference it made!. Reason i suspected a glow plug was because it started much better during summer and i didnt think the engine could have degraded so much so quickly.

is it worth while replacing all the plugs? the others tested fine. All read around the 0.2 ohm mark. Did not think to compare the bosch glob plug's resistance, but figure it would be different anyway being a different brand.

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:35 pm
by Ice
boil the kettle tip it over the injectors and intake manifold, do this a couple of times so its nice and hot and then try and crank it

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:40 pm
by joel HJ60
Have you been losing coolant?

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:09 pm
by vanzbrown
Thanks for the advice guys, i have fixed it, was easy to see once i started looking at the glowplugs... ill post up some pics when i get home from work...

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:07 pm
by Nat84
did it look like this starting up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqH8TkGFQ7A

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:41 pm
by vanzbrown
Ok, well, i started thinking about glowplugs, and took out the first one to have a look, tested it using two bits of wire and the battery, looked ok, then once i had put it back in i looked along the rail and seen the rear glowplug. How i didnt notice this first i dunn...

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10seconds before i took the pics, that arm was joined by the smalled piece of corroded metal, and no sooner had i touched it, it broke clean out... Im guessing it was melted like that due to it arc'ing out from the corrosion?

So i went about taking the corroded arm off the back, inturn snapping the top of the rear glowplug, no biggy, looked like it could do with replacing anyways.

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Having never realy taken glowplugs out before, is it normal for them to be that oily?

So, with a few new parts, she fired straight up, and with not nearly as much white smoke upon startup that id been experiencing over the past week..

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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:34 pm
by Nat84
there meant to look like this

are you using any oil??


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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:41 pm
by vanzbrown
I never really noticed that it uses much oil... By looking at your pictures, my plugs really dont look right do they...

What might be the cause?

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:08 pm
by AZZA'S HJ47
when i stripped down my 40 series 2h with 350k on the clock i found quite a few things wrong valve stem seals perished and bits of them missing at least 4 cylinders with cracked rings bores scrached to all buggery but it still went ok ran smoth enough after the rebuild it s a rocket know helps with a hair dryer on the side :2gunfire:

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:15 pm
by Nat84
AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:when i stripped down my 40 series 2h with 350k on the clock i found quite a few things wrong valve stem seals perished and bits of them missing at least 4 cylinders with cracked rings bores scrached to all buggery but it still went ok ran smoth enough after the rebuild it s a rocket know helps with a hair dryer on the side :2gunfire:
X2

does yours do this if so you would have a case of blow-by like mine
my 2H al so has 360.000 on the clock and turbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDeixjGHhpU

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:52 am
by vanzbrown
Ill check that out.. Mines just ticked over 410,000kms, and yeah, runs ok, probably down on power, but i just think thats the beauty of driving a 2H...

Turbo would be nice, but ill save tha for my next 4by when this one rusts to the ground..

bores

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:48 am
by Wozza244
Your bores are probably glazed to the shithouse too which will not help