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It has finally come to that time when new tires are needed, the old ones just dont cut it any more ( make a good set of party tires!!)

The current tires are 31"x10.5" on 15"x7" rims.

I want to put the biggest tires on the old girl with the least modifications (i.e. firewall/cut away guards).

What would be the biggest tires that I could put on at the moment (I have no suspension lift or body lift-sorry to disappoint you guys!)?

I am currently looking at a 70+mm overall lift kit from marks. Rancho 9000 shocks new coil springs with 2" body lift. Marks say that after installing this kit you can easily fit 35" rubber. Roughly $1600

Please take a look at
http://www.marks4wd.com/lc-lj-rj70-suspension.htm

I am also able to get a new Series 2000 suspension kit (4 coil springs and 4 shocks) for $700-which is designed to give it a 2" lift from stock.

I would really, i mean really like to fit 35" rubber but I would be happy with 33"X12.5"s.

What is the series 2000 suspension like and would it allow me to fit 33/35's?

Would my stock 22r (2.4 naturally aspirated (carby job) Petrol) have enough grunt to turn these beasts (it doesn't have to do a quick 1/4 mile by any means) ?

Any help would be most appreciated,
Regards,
Nick

firstly, has anyone else noticed there are now a heap of Nick's on this board?


ssssssssssoooo to answer your questions, i would get the 35's from what you write you want the 35's so even if you do get the 33's you are still going to want the 35's.

you could always send alittle extra and re gear the diffs to turn the tyres.

Have you looked at 80seroes coils, i believe these give a 4 inch lift under a bundy. BJ will know for sure.


NICK

Or ask Bundytime?

I have heard of putting 80 series coild under a bundera but have never looked into it. So if it is possibe to put these coils under it what sort of shouck would I put under it-Rancho's? Are they standartd/stock 80 series coils and do they fit with no modifications?

Another quick question I have just been speaking to my father and he wants to give his 100 series a 2" lift. Is it possible to do this mod without any mods to the steering and engine and prop shafts.

Cheers,
Nick

PS: Thanks Nick for the quick response

BUNDERA wrote:
Another quick question I have just been speaking to my father and he wants to give his 100 series a 2" lift. Is it possible to do this mod without any mods to the steering and engine and prop shafts.

IFS, solid axle?


NICK

shockies, i would get the 9012, they are around the 175 mark and providing the 80 series coils fit ( which i believe they will) i would go this way.

you said you were going to spend approximatley 1700 on the marks kit, if you can get the coils and shocks for around 1100 and then the body lift for about 100 (check the 4sale section) then that will leave you approx 500 of your first budget for gears, 5.29's can be had for about 100 an end.


NICK

Where will he get a 5.29 in a high pinion?

RUFF wrote:Where will he get a 5.29 in a high pinion?

yyyyyyyyyyyyyeaaah that will be a drama, never thought of that, just like you never thought to get a multi zone DVD



and heres a link, dan list the body lift blocks at $8.50 each, i dont think you will find them cheaper

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... .php?t=817



NICK

you two are so funny to watch!!!


(watch?)

I'll have a look at bundytime is selling.

I would still be interested to know if the 80 series coils fit!

Ohh Bunderas are solid front and have coils all round.

cheers,
Nick

RUFF wrote:You have video footage of us????

Nick you said you would never let anyone else watch that

re: the PM i just sent you mmmmmmmmmmmm

you got back up's right?


NICK

Bj had a copy and put it on a live feed!!

No I ment the way you are always at each other.


Nick

NICK wrote:

RUFF wrote:You have video footage of us????

Nick you said you would never let anyone else watch that

re: the PM i just sent you mmmmmmmmmmmm

you got back up's right?


NICK

Yup and they are 4 sale
I told you to send em all

BUNDERA wrote:Bj had a copy and put it on a live feed!!

No I ment the way you are always at each other.


Nick

Thats normal its because the Nick is queer

According to Bundytime the 80 series coils break shocks as the spring dimensions are different, I'm sure he can elaborate further....

From Snake

http://pub28.ezboard.com/fsnakeracingfo ... 1248.topic

BUNDERA wrote:live feed!!

DAM did you just give me one hell of an idea


NICK

DAM did you just give me one hell of an idea


NICK

I am glad I could help.

Bundytime. I posted this message on the snake forum but i will put it here at well.

"Bundytime I want to put 35" rubber on my bundera. If I get a new series 2000 kit (2" above stock) from a mate at tjm will I able to fit 35's.
Will it only rub the inner guards on full flex...(hang on, what flex!!!) ?

Will my "Big block 22r" have enough grunt to turn them (mine is not on gas) (doesn't have to do a quick 1/4 mile)?

what suspension are u running to clear your 35" rubber?"

Have a good one,
Regards,
Nick

I will add, you will need 4.88 ratio diffs to move 35's with a 22R.

BUNDERA wrote:Another quick question I have just been speaking to my father and he wants to give his 100 series a 2" lift. Is it possible to do this mod without any mods to the steering and engine and prop shafts.

Cheers,
Nick

PS: Thanks Nick for the quick response

Old man just had a 2" lift fitted to his brand new ifs 100, all they did was longer coils in the back and bigger shocks and for the front new shocks and wound up the bars etc.

Oh and for the high pinion 5.29, you can save a few $$$ and get one from all pro in the state they cost around $299 usd so would prolly cost you $700 aud landed :-)

Would the 22r turn them or would i really need the new diff ratios (arghhhh not more money).

Does bundy time run different diffs?
How hard is it installing new ratios?
I do have pretty good mechanical knowledge ie have chanded clutches and fixxed carbies and stuff but have never done anything to the diffs.

Regards,
Nick

I run a 3Y motor in my hilux which is only 2lt and mine seems to push the 35's OK. I haven't chanced the diff ratio

BUNDERA wrote:Would the 22r turn them or would i really need the new diff ratios (arghhhh not more money).

Does bundy time run different diffs?
How hard is it installing new ratios?
I do have pretty good mechanical knowledge ie have chanded clutches and fixxed carbies and stuff but have never done anything to the diffs.

Regards,
Nick

You don't *have* to change your ratios straight away. If you don't mind being a bit slower, just leave it until later. At least you'll save money on petrol. It's a 4B - not a race car. IMHO, the increase in clearance is worth the speed sacrifice.

BUNDERA wrote:Would the 22r turn them or would i really need the new diff ratios (arghhhh not more money).

Does bundy time run different diffs?
How hard is it installing new ratios?
I do have pretty good mechanical knowledge ie have chanded clutches and fixxed carbies and stuff but have never done anything to the diffs.

Regards,
Nick

Yes he runs 4.88s

New ratios can mean a simple carrier swap or rebuild with R&P.

Thanks for bearing with me so far!
All Right this is what I am looking at getting.

4 new Series 2000 Coils (2" above showroom) $300
4 new Series 2000 shocks $400

and I can get a set of four, 35"x12.x5" BFG MT/R's on 15"x10" Sunrasias for $1000

This totals $1700 (what Marks are charging for the rancho suspension kit)

I went to a local tyre dealer today and it looks like the tyres will fit pretty well with the 2" lift.

What do you guys reckon?

Should I go for it?

Regards,
Nick

YES

Do it.

If it's still a bit tight........maybe a small body lift 1 - 2 inches :wink:

N*A*M wrote:. At least you'll save money on petrol. .

no you wont, mine, and im many others will agree when regeared it will use less fuel.


NICK

BUNDERA wrote:
What do you guys reckon?

Should I go for it?

Regards,
Nick

sounds like a goer to me, and worst comes to worse you send another 100 bucks on a body lift.


NICK

i stepped straight into 35s with my first landcruiser, 4 cylinder diesel, and 4.111 diff ratios

oh yeah, i had to put a turbo on, to keep with the RICE BIARTCH but my cousin had a 2.2L diesel hilux that we used to flog the crap out of, and DAMN it went pretty good even with stock gears and 35s

DO IT, trust me, you will barely notice it!!

All right, firstly I would like to thank you all for the info you gave me but I have decided that I will fit 33's (maybe 35's next time and atleast these are bigger than the 31's currently on it) to save me money and stuffing around (lift, diffs,ect.) I will buy 33's and get the 35's put on my fathers 100 series ( I'll just borrow his car!!)

Thanks once again for the help!

Regards,
Nick