Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I had always wanted to do this then i cam accross this in the trading post today!

i think the rear glass is close but i also think the diff has been move backwards and i think that would change the way it handles completly.

anybody ever done this before on a GV or XL7?

fordy1 wrote:anybody ever done this before on a GV or XL7?

I think a guy in QLD did one to a black one

grimbo wrote:

fordy1 wrote:anybody ever done this before on a GV or XL7?

I think a guy in QLD did one to a black one

I remember seeing an extra cab up north too?

i saw that 2 weeks ago in nerang ... it looked awsome

how much was it?

rod at one stop suzi shop did that conversion i'm pretty sure. from memory i think that bloke has been trying to that gv for a fair wilst now

$17,000

can buy a black leather GV for $8500 - $11,000.

I wonder exactly how much load it could carry with what I guess are stock coils in the rear???

fordy1 wrote:$17,000

can buy a black leather GV for $8500 - $11,000.

That's why it's been for sale for sooo long then, pretty sure he was asking more than that before

IMO it looks like poo.

GRPABT1 - Right on!

That's horrid and doesn't make any sense. A light duty ute? It's the same size as a hilux but about a gazillionly times more likely to break.

A jimny ute I'll almost accept as at least it's light and won't dig up paddocks etc but I can't see the point in a GV ute.

Sure it'll be quiet etc but fill thatt tray full of anything and it's going to be suffering badly.

Just my 2c.

early model vitara diffs are rated for 1250 kg, and a grand is more. i think it will be fine. the only benefit of a normal ute is leaf springs for more load, but with the right stuff the gv could be good. i reckon it looks ace...and i'd have one................honey....can i put the 9 inch on the xl7?.....

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I still think it looks crap.

Why not a light duty ute? The Jumbucks are just that and are perfect as parts run arounds or couriers. This would be the same sort of thing.

Just because something can be done, it doesn't mean it should be

It's pretty clear a Jumbuck is a mitsubishi lancer with a small tray on it.

A GV with a reasonable sized tray on it is going to look like you could put payload in it. It doesn't really look like a light duty ute- it's a 4WD V6 ute - but it's only really got 500kg of payload.

This has a stretched wheelbase, so there's even more load going on the front end than stock (more potential load between the wheels)

I'd say this car's going to suffer if you used it like it looks you could use it.

Steve.

still, nice job ..500 kg aint so bad. look at most 1 tonne utes, actually put a tonne in them and they shit em selves. plus, we only have photos, no details or data, so we're all just speculating........

I'm not speculating about the strength of the GV in general.

I'm also not speculating about the ease with which this car could be loaded above it's original GVM or that this is going to place more load on the front end than a stock GV (not the strongest thing anyway)

Just because it was done neatly (which we're only specualting about) doesn't make it a good idea.

Steve.

yes stevey.......over gvm...just like most sierras.

Gwagensteve wrote:
That's horrid and doesn't make any sense. A light duty ute? It's the same size as a hilux but about a gazillionly times more likely to break.

So Steve, your 1.0ltr tray back.... how much is it designed to carry?

If light duty utes make no sense, why do you own one?

mmm...whats going on there grimbo....

i'm fortunate enough to have chassis data, diff data etc etc for all the vitara range ( and don't ask who i had to sweet talk to get it!) and after doing some maths i don't see a drama with it as long as the chassis mods were done correctly. you can carry on all you want godfrey but the maths add up, and i'm sure if it was done by a pro the new comp plate will state what gvm is allowed. do you take your vehicle to a weighbridge with a camping load?...i know i don't. over to you stevey......

joeblow wrote:mmm...whats going on there grimbo....
:

my answers/responses are in yellow. Just questioning why it matters that the Jumbuck is just a Lancer made into a ute and why it matters if the GV ute is light duty

But it STILL looks like it's been slapped in the face with the ugly stick.

GRPABT1 wrote:But it STILL looks like it's been slapped in the face with the ugly stick.

looking ugly is fine but to say that it is pointless as a light duty ute is stupid

simple, don't like whats on this channel....go to another one.

Nope, you're missing the point guys. I know my Sierra has a 450kg payload and try to stay within that, but it also has less than 1000kg kerb weight and 36kw in stock form. It is light duty and can only be used as such.

You can't put anything much in the back of a jumbuck - just like you couldn't a mighty boy, or a brumby, or a 1.0 with a stock tray, but all these cars are heavily power limited too - load ome up too much and it's not going anywhere. The GV has enough power to cope with heavy loads, but that doesn't mean the rest of the car does.

That GV isn't the same sort of thing as a jumbuck at all - a 2.5/2.7litre motor, roomy cab, decent tray.... on the face of it it's a hilux competitor. Now try to convince someone it can't tow much or you an only put 300kg in it once you have a full tank of fuel and you are your mate are in it. and if they put more in and collapse something there's no warranty or comeback because nobody else has tried it before. You're 100% on your own. That's not a risk the factory vehicle owner has to deal with.

Even issues related to COG and roll centre and a worry. Carrying payload further forward in the car and on average 400mm higher than the factory intended?

That GV won't be significantly lighter or perform better than any other Japanese utility, but will have nowhere near the payload or durability of a car designed from the outset as a utility.

If I really wanted a GV ute and knew exactly why I wanted it and what I wanted to do with it, and new that was within its capabilities, great. Thing is, put this vehicle on the market and you're going to struggle to convince someone else that it's very useful when compared to a conventional ute, or even somehting like a Falcon RTV.

Joe -
Actually, I have done some work on weighbridges and how close packed cars go to GVM is frightening. "I'm sure they have worked it out" isn't an answer though. Patrol coil cabs fall apart at less than GVM - GV's aren't immune and making a longer heavier GV with the capacity to carry more weight is a worry, it's even more of a worry if someones' slapped a mod plate on it saying its ok for more payload. (which is speculation)

So how much more weight would you rate a GV [front end as able to handle? What do your maths and inside information tell you?

Steve.

not missing the point at all Steve. The person who built this would have had to have been aware of the GVM issues to have got it onto the road. So obviously it was designed to carry lightweight bulky items.

You are basing your assumptions on an uninformed builder of the vehicle which just can't be. Also you are assuming the subsequent purchaser will be the same. I personally don't think some one would see that as a Hilux competitor. the market for this vehicle is going to be very limited as a tradie or courier is not going to be interested in buying a modified vehicle like that

Again so what if you can't put anything much in the back of a Jumbuck in your mind. Many people do find they suit their needs perfectly. Just because it is a ute doesn't mean that heavy loads are the only thing that has to go into it. If you are a company that needs to transport occasional bulky boxes etc that don't weigh a tonne why pay for a heavy duty ute that will be uncomfortable to drive around in, not as economical?

I'm not basing my assumptions on an uninformed builder at all (although I have my concerns) but on an uninformed purchaser.

By increasing the load area, you're radically increasing the weight the vehicle can carry well beyond the design parameters of the original vehicle. In the case of the GV, the size, confguration and and load area of the vehicle would imply it has reasonable load handling capability and durability, at least similar to a ute of equivalent size. That's not the case with a jumbuck, a brumby, or 1.0 sierra. (vehicles that were a commecial success)

It won't have. It's an expensive, uneconomocal vehicle with low load carrying capabilities (for it's class)

Thats the extent of my concern, and that's why I consider it pointless - a car that looks like it carry stuff, even though it can't.

You hit it on the head - the demand for a vehicle like this will be very small. Generally people who need a ute acutally need a ute.

That's all.

If it's a commercial success then I'm obviously wrong.

Steve.

Whatif Whatif Whatif ... bah ...

Steve stop worrying about things you cant do anything about.
Joe .. Stop stiring up Steve

I reckon chuck a set of muddies on it, give it a small lift and it would be a fun little truck ..Would be a ball to drive in the sand and unlike most other utes that size, would most likley ride reasonably well unladen.
Would be an alright little camping rig as well.