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locker problem
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:06 pm
by wreckingball
Hey guys just after some ideas on what could be wrong with my air locker .
The first time i locked it in it worked then the second time the compressor wouldn't shut off and the locker wasn't working
. when i got home i tested it and it worked fine. I spoke to the shop that fitted it he had no ideas without looking at it. I've tested it a few times since without a problem, but finally tonight it did it again , as soon as i hit the locker switch the compressor would restart and the air was rushing straight out the diff breather. So obviously its got a leak but why is it intermittant ? and what is it ?
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:09 pm
by v8zuki
sounds like they have twisted or nicked the orings when they put it in very easy to do
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:16 pm
by hudson44
Or the copper piping has been crimped within the housing. Maybe hitting the crownwheel. If they just fit it then i would be taking it back.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:20 pm
by joeblow
take it back to who fitted it.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:43 pm
by mule75
i've had the small o ring in the brass air line fitting that's tapped into the diff housing stuff up with similar symptoms to what you're describing.
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:04 am
by Troopy93
Get used to it, one of the pleasures of air lockers.
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:41 am
by wreckingball
thanks guys i'll get it checked
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:23 pm
by DIRTY ROCK STAR
had a similar thing happen recently. but my diff breather was blocked.
end result... blew the axle seal and shot diff oil out the diff breather like a hose.
NASTY!
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:36 pm
by chpd80
Had the same problem with my rear air locker time and time again
Funny thing though the auto "lokka" in the front has never given any trouble hhmmm interesting.
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:39 pm
by lockdup
hey mate i had the exact same prob. its o ring, not been fitted well. take it back n let them deal with it.
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:40 pm
by ajsr
HMMM this tread could merge pretty easily with another on outers at the moment.Which locker should I buy???
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:45 pm
by love ke70
hahaha, what brand is the locker
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:11 pm
by me3@neuralfibre.com
Welcome to ARB Air Leakers
Been there, had that.
Paul
Re; Locker problem
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:45 pm
by waxen
We had had similar problems to this and after a lot of head scratching the locker was removed, checked ,o rings replaced, checked again, refitted...........In short no problem could be found. But the intermittent problem was still there.
The locker was removed again, this time it was coaxed into misbehaving on the bench, by loosening the seal ring and realigning it, (this was because it had moved itself) every now and again after the centre was rotated it would leak. The journals etc were checked for runout, the seal ring was ok too, but a new seal ring was put in anyway, the id of the new ring was a couple of 'thou larger than the old one and so far it has not leaked again.
In summary the conclusion was that the combined sum of tolerance limits with that collection of parts was the problem. Anyway it may give you a starting point.
Cheers
Re: Re; Locker problem
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:05 pm
by ajsr
waxen wrote:We had had similar problems to this and after a lot of head scratching the locker was removed, checked ,o rings replaced, checked again, refitted...........In short no problem could be found. But the intermittent problem was still there.
The locker was removed again, this time it was coaxed into misbehaving on the bench, by loosening the seal ring and realigning it, (this was because it had moved itself) every now and again after the centre was rotated it would leak. The journals etc were checked for runout, the seal ring was ok too, but a new seal ring was put in anyway, the id of the new ring was a couple of 'thou larger than the old one and so far it has not leaked again.
In summary the conclusion was that the combined sum of tolerance limits with that collection of parts was the problem. Anyway it may give you a starting point.
Cheers
What a variance in a QUALITY CNC MACHINED UNIT but
4X4 guy told us all that this is impossible! ARB ARE THE ONLY SHIT HE SAID
sounds like you all have been had . YOU ALL must have cheap chineese copies
Might keep my CNC machined lockright at least it works $199 us
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:05 pm
by 4x4 guy
more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:10 pm
by ajsr
OUCH 4X4 guy that hurt
the truth always seems to get that reaction
Re: Re; Locker problem
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:40 pm
by me3@neuralfibre.com
ajsr wrote:waxen wrote:We had had similar problems to this and after a lot of head scratching the locker was removed, checked ,o rings replaced, checked again, refitted...........In short no problem could be found. But the intermittent problem was still there.
The locker was removed again, this time it was coaxed into misbehaving on the bench, by loosening the seal ring and realigning it, (this was because it had moved itself) every now and again after the centre was rotated it would leak. The journals etc were checked for runout, the seal ring was ok too, but a new seal ring was put in anyway, the id of the new ring was a couple of 'thou larger than the old one and so far it has not leaked again.
In summary the conclusion was that the combined sum of tolerance limits with that collection of parts was the problem. Anyway it may give you a starting point.
Cheers
What a variance in a QUALITY CNC MACHINED UNIT but
4X4 guy told us all that this is impossible! ARB ARE THE ONLY SHIT HE SAID
sounds like you all have been had . YOU ALL must have cheap chineese copies
Might keep my CNC machined lockright at least it works $199 us
Go the Lockrite - miss mine - better than my current Air Leaker
Paul
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:31 pm
by waxen
4x4 guy wrote:more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
You're such a funny man
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:13 am
by turps
4x4 guy wrote:more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
And another wanker who has been here 5mins and being an asshat.
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:47 am
by jessie928
turps wrote:4x4 guy wrote:more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
And another wanker who has been here 5mins and being an asshat.
i second that notion.
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:24 pm
by ajsr
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:22 am
by 4x4 guy
WHAT PART OF THE TRUTH DON'T YOU CLUELESS WANNABE BACKYARD MECHANIC'S LIKE?
TAKE YOUR DIFF TO A REPUTABLE 4X4 STORE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND STOP BLAMING THE PRODUCT.
INSTALLION ERROR CAUSED THIS PROBLEM.
YOU GUYS ARE FUCIN CLUELESS.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:37 pm
by simkell
The main problem with air lockers is the person installing them. have installed a few with no problems. being lazy when assembling a diff can lead to all sorts of problems. the only problem with air lockers is the seals, but if installed correctly they will still last for years.
with out th correct tools and the knowledge to use them will always end in disaster.
As for bagging out members that have been on the site for a long time and with decent sound mechanical knowledge, well pull your heads in.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:48 pm
by dumbdunce
since I've only been a member here a short while and obviously don't know anything about diffs, my opinion on this isn't worth a pinch of bat poo.
(have a search, I'm sure I've said it all and more on air locker installation over the years.)
If air lockers leak on activation, you have an installation problem. Air lockers I installed over 150,000km ago are still going strong.
things that might happen that probably shouldn't but you can live with:
1. if you don't have an air tank in your system, the slow pressure build up can allow air to bypass the o-rings or the internal u-ring and the locker may not engage. rare but it happens. the air locker system is designed to seat 80 - 120psi, not 5psi.
2. In front diffs with locking hubs, if the diff has not rotated and the o-rings or u-ring are dry on the top half out of the oil, some air can bypass. a short drive with the hubs locked will circulate oil and rectify.
4x4 guy is right, even if his messages could be slightly more tactful. The air locker is a finely engineered bit of kit, it deserves careful installation. The instructions are comprehensive and easy to follow, it's not hard to get right even for a backyard mechanic who is careful and can follow instructions.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:40 pm
by trains
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:42 pm
by 4x4 guy
DUMBDUNCE KNOWS.....
SIMKELL KNOWS.....
at least there are a few people on this forum that know the TRUTH despite what others say.
i see and repair quite a few diffs that were installed by people that think they know what they are doing,and despite have VERY comprehensive instructions they still manage to make simple mistakes which lead to problems.
and they all say the same thing-they blame the product,never themselves.
being tactful is not something i am good at.
especially when dealing with people on forums.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:12 pm
by jessie928
4x4 guy wrote:DUMBDUNCE KNOWS.....
SIMKELL KNOWS.....
at least there are a few people on this forum that know the TRUTH despite what others say.
i see and repair quite a few diffs that were installed by people that think they know what they are doing,and despite have VERY comprehensive instructions they still manage to make simple mistakes which lead to problems.
and they all say the same thing-they blame the product,never themselves.
being tactful is not something i am good at.
especially when dealing with people on forums.
mate let us know your business name so we can all stay well clear of it.
your acting like a 2 year old that has just been told there is no santa.
JEs
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:15 pm
by bogged
turps wrote:4x4 guy wrote:more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
And another wanker who has been here 5mins and being an asshat.
I wonder if he fits gearboxes and is from SE MElbourne.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:33 am
by ajsr