Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:41 pm**

Hi there im just after some opinions on what i should be getting???
i want 6 inch and just want your ideas on what things i should get expense isnt that big of a deal but cheaper is better.

i dont want to go extreme though so standard stuff not coil overs or air shocks or anything

cheers

Posted: **Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:33 pm**

Have you tried looking through any previous threads?? Cause your not the breaking new ground here.

Posted: **Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:51 pm**

yer i have actually...
im only new to outers and there is over 300 pages... i dont have the time to go through them all so that is why i put up the post
cheers

Posted: **Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:45 pm**

basicly anything over 50mm is not legal.
and police and transport are now cracking down on this type of 4x4 modification,so is it worth it?

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:07 am**

yes of course its worth it..
and im sure it is fine as long as it is engineered which it will be

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:31 am**

PM "4WD Stuff"

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:09 am**

garfootd wrote:yes of course its worth it..
and im sure it is fine as long as it is engineered which it will be

well, why are you asking on here?

wouldn't it be so much easier to pick up the phone, call an engineer, and find out what they think?

the engineer is the one who has the final say, so why not include them from day 1, will save A LOT of hassles down the track.

yes, forums might be good for finding out which brands are good etc. but when it comes to the re designing of your suspension, it is probably best to leave it to the professionals.

by all means, search, and find out what other have done, so that you can throw some ideas out there when chatting to your engineer, but don't expect the answers you get on here to be 100%

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:02 am**

garfootd wrote:yes of course its worth it..
and im sure it is fine as long as it is engineered which it will be

so why do you need a 6inch lift?
What tires you planning on running?

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:13 am**

bogged wrote:
garfootd wrote:yes of course its worth it..
and im sure it is fine as long as it is engineered which it will be
so why do you need a 6inch lift?
What tires you planning on running?

Legally engineered tyres of course

Steve.

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:53 pm**

also you may want to mention what your actual vehicle is.

Also by saying you don't have the time to go through the site finding the info you want is not a good way to get people on side to offer good advice

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:53 pm**

What i am saying is that i dont have the time to go through over 350 pages of info... its alot of reading something tht i dont like doing lol...

i am thinkin of running 37's and my car is a GQ patrol wagon which i am getting cut into a space-cab ute

cheers for your reply's

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:40 pm**

garfootd wrote:... its alot of reading something tht i dont like doing lol...

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:47 pm**

bogged wrote:
garfootd wrote:... its alot of reading something tht i dont like doing lol...

lucky he explained the reason otherwise people might have thought he was just lazy and couldn't be bothered reading through some of the useful tech on here

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:53 pm**

hey its pretty good to talk big on here ayy..
the reason i dont like reading is because my eyes are FUCKED and it is a struggled to read the little words...
and jst for the smart asses NO glasses dont help...
i have a eye disease called "keratoconus"
if you would like to search tht up you might understand
and maybe u might not be f@#kwits

cheers

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:08 pm**

Well said seems that these couple of guys just love to tell people to do searches instead of actualy helping and they must have plenty of spare time for themselves to evolve as wankers LOL
Try helping every now and then instead of insulting people on every post that is put up.
I am also about to go to a 5" setup (just because i can) i am getting it second hand but i know the history of it. When i put it in i will let you know what it is and how it performs but hopefully you might get some help here from some of the people who actualy help on here.

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:20 pm**

Gwagensteve wrote:
bogged wrote:
garfootd wrote:yes of course its worth it..
and im sure it is fine as long as it is engineered which it will be
so why do you need a 6inch lift?
What tires you planning on running?
Legally engineered tyres of course

Steve.

he can get a 6" lift and 37s engineered here in NSW

i think you'll find that he is after some advive in the way of drop boxes, different arms (which ones have proven themselves), are there things inn lift "kits" that are not really necessary, where he will be able to save some coin, what brands to steer clear of etc.....
question that some of you lot might have asked back when you all got into 4wding!

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:33 pm**

If you go in the mates rates section of my web site in the 4-5" lift section you will find a lot of good info. I haven't really kept the 6" lift section up to date so the info isn't as good, all the prices are the same though.

Also I have been changing my 4-5" lift flexy coils for better flex and they have morphed into more like a 5" lift plus. They do give more flex then the 6-7" lift coils though. Through testing the front were low compared to the rear and I asked if they want the rears lower but every single person wanted the fronts to match the rear so there are at least a few guys who want the bigger lifts.

I personally would run the 3" lift flexy coils so the cops don't bother me but I am in Qld.

Click on the link below, it is worth the read and then call for questions when the eyes hurt.

Shane
0409 593 414

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:49 pm**

UrbanRedneck
thanks for the support there... there does seem to be some of those wankers with too much time on there hands haha...

and thanks for the info would be good to hear from ur installation of ur kit

cheers

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:52 pm**

4WD Stuff...
thanks alot mate...
will hav a look and yer ill give you a call once the eyes have had enough lol...

cheers

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:57 pm**

Shane (4wd Stuff) will set you straight. We run his gear. No problems.

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:43 pm**

grimbo wrote:
bogged wrote:
garfootd wrote:... its alot of reading something tht i dont like doing lol...

lucky he explained the reason otherwise people might have thought he was just lazy and couldn't be bothered reading through some of the useful tech on here

I reckon it should all be deleted after 7 days, would save on server space too..

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:56 pm**

garfootd wrote:UrbanRedneck
thanks for the support there... there does seem to be some of those wankers with too much time on there hands haha...

and thanks for the info would be good to hear from ur installation of ur kit

cheers

ya learn to ignore em.

personally id rather go a 4" lift and 2" body if you really want the height of a 6", will keep the weight down a lil more, then from what ive read and seen 4" flexi coils, drop boxes and the super flex arm, not sure on the best shock to run with this setup, would like to know though, Shane???

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:16 pm**

Going to high give you to many pucker moments.

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:00 pm**

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personally id rather go a 4" lift and 2" body if you really want the height of a 6", will keep the weight down a lil more, then from what ive read and seen 4" flexi coils, drop boxes and the super flex arm, not sure on the best shock to run with this setup, would like to know though, Shane???[/quote]

Procomps

Posted: **Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:42 am**

garfootd, Dobinsons Suspensions make the "flexy coils" (extra droop, more a progressive rate coil really) and have been playing around with different designs for years.
I run 6" linear coils, (no body lift) 35's, Tough Dog adjustable panhards and Big O Dropped Radius Arms with slotted GU bushes. Oondys Big O drop arms achieve the right castor and the GU slotted bushes flex the best and last the longest. Its a nice all round set up for the off roading that I do.
You'll also need extended diff breather lines, The rear brake line is long enough for the front and a longer one required for the rear. Adjustable rear upper link arms and 15-20mm extended lower arms will sort out the rear diff pinion angle. $ are starting to add up now

. You need extended sway bar links too so the sway bar is close to horizontal with the chassis, slightly upward is best so it levels out when the back is loaded up. The sway bar works best at the horizontal position at normal ride height. Mine has the factory disconnect system but I modified it to sit the sway bar "level" at ride height and also to give about 300% more free travel when disconnected. Works a treat

I just extended the LH link accordingly. Hope thats some useful info for ya anyway. I too know the pain of searches and the "helpful" replies you will sometimes get.
Cheers, sudso

Posted: **Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:23 am**

hey bud with the 3'' flexi kit (link attached below) i get more flex than most of my mates with 6'' lift and i dont get hassled by the po po .
and u only need
adjustable panhards
rear brake line
2deg caster bush
longer rear sway bar pins

Posted: **Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:20 am**

garfootd wrote:UrbanRedneck
thanks for the support there... there does seem to be some of those wankers with too much time on there hands haha...

and thanks for the info would be good to hear from ur installation of ur kit

cheers

yeah fancy trying to figure out what vehicle you have and pointing out there is a hell of a lot of this info already on the site. Fair enough you have an eye condition that makes trolling through lots of pages hard, mention it rather than just saying can't be bohered. Forums work very well when people give as much info as possible and help themselves as much as they can. Clearly communicating with each other helps everyone. Of course this is being a wanker for trying to get as much info as possible and for trying to help people get the best out of the forum

Posted: **Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:29 am**

grimbo wrote:
garfootd wrote:UrbanRedneck
thanks for the support there... there does seem to be some of those wankers with too much time on there hands haha...

and thanks for the info would be good to hear from ur installation of ur kit

cheers
yeah fancy trying to figure out what vehicle you have and pointing out there is a hell of a lot of this info already on the site. Fair enough you have an eye condition that makes trolling through lots of pages hard, mention it rather than just saying can't be bohered. Forums work very well when people give as much info as possible and help themselves as much as they can. Clearly communicating with each other helps everyone. Of course this is being a wanker for trying to get as much info as possible and for trying to help people get the best out of the forum

Some people don't like to tell everyone they have a condition of some kind. If you have seen 100 identical questions on here maybe you spend too much time on here

If something has been asked to death then don't click on it.

Having said that, saying you couldn't be bothered probably wasn't the best approach but so what as far as I am concerned.

One thing that is annoying is seeing every thread with search noob written on it, search search search search search search search search search search search search search search search search search search search search. Stuff that just ask the question and someone will answer it for you.

No personal attack meant for you Grimbo, this is really just a general winge using you as an example, I hope I don't offend you.

Posted: **Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:35 am**

I don't get offended by people on the internet. I also don't say search newbie but will ask if they have had any luck reading or even had a look through the site themselves.

Posted: **Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:38 am**

SUDSO, Dobinsons make my flexy coils however the designs I use are exclusive to Suspension Stuff and are more tailored to the average off roader. I have made them firmer to ride equivalent to regular coils and so they can carry the same loads.

Even though technically my coils are variable they will not ride variable but behave like a linear coil. The reason for this is because the tightly wound turns on my coils are fully compressed under normal driving conditions and only do their thing when you are flexed up. You don't get the uber soft feeling that some might imagine.

The flexy coils that Dobinsons have are way too soft.
Shane

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