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So if you were going to build a winch truck, what would you consider to be of major importance and why?
Would you use any particular hardware and why?
etc etc....... (little bit of details too pls)

ideas, ideas, ideas

cheers

rollcage, good suspention set up, bit of speed, strong and reliable

garfootd wrote:So if you were going to build a winch truck, what would you consider to be of major importance and why?
Would you use any particular hardware and why?
etc etc.......

ideas, ideas, ideas

cheers

BIG FAT WALLET.... Full of pinapples ($100)

rogantriton wrote:rollcage, good suspention set up, bit of speed, strong and reliable

cheers bud

pineapples are 50

and yes big fat wallet full of greenbacks

haha yer i rekon but its a hobby and a damn funn one at tht.,..

depends... do you want it to actually be a comp truck or just look like one? the difference is about $30-40K

im looking at about 15-20k...
im not looking to get everything like winches etc in tht jst like:
suspension
exo/barwork
motor and box (5L holden and th700)
lockers
ute chop

i can source most thing cheap so im jst after ideas so i can get ppl opinions etc cause i certainly dont no everything lol...

cheers

garfootd wrote:im not looking to get everything like winches etc in tht jst like:

wouldnt a winch truck have a winch?

as said, do you want to have fun, or be competitive? theres a wide difference in the 2.

as said, do you want to have fun, or be competitive? theres a wide difference in the 2.[/quote]

well i mean winches and tht stuff wouldnt be in the 15-20k i would be gettin one but after i have finished the major works of things

cheers

Start simple and slowly build it up that way you learn as you go. It isn't as simple as building a truck like someone else as everybody has a different driving style and so different requirements.
The exception to that is engine. You want the basic setup to start with otherwise you'll end up in my situation. I changed from deisel to petrol and have to start from scratch and learn to drive again. (But my change has been extreme to say the least).
So keep a standard suspension setup as this will teach you to drive. If you feel the hard hits then you'll learn how to avoid them and so preserve you truck to finish the race. Then when you are really good with a standard rig you can go full coil over and really take advantage of it.
Power can be increased as you go but if you go with a 5.0 you will always be restricted as to how much you can get (cheaply that is). I'd save money from suspension and go for an ali motor up front.
Rollcage etc etc is mandatory. Don't strap in without one.
The same goes for a winch. Start out with a standard one as it will teach you good technique and then upgrade it as you get better. Using an electric winch teaches you about winching and driving etc as you can hear the load come on and off the winch. running 24v though a 12v is great the motor starts to scream when you get it right and will burn out if you get it wrong!

Take note of Darin's advice, it is a good quality.

1. Set yourself a REALISTIC budget and stick to it,
2. Use as many off the shelf parts in the first instance, they are easier to get and cheaper replace (also easier to source of other competitors in events like OBC),
3. Look at what you intend to do in the short and medium term, it saves on doing modifications twice,
4. Accept that you don't need the best of everything to start, just have a good strong base to build on,
5. Weight is a big killer of winch vehicles. there can be more than 500+kg difference between vehciles, that counts when winching.
6. There is a thing as too much power... though fun it can cause issues.

my 2c

Jason

i know this may be a really silly question. But what is a winch challenge about.
Im guessing you have to drive along up a track or what may be classed as a track for the race. once you stop you get out, hook up the winch and then power up the rest. then drive to the next bit untill you cant go any further up. or the truck is hanging from the cable upside down.

Are there any of these on around the newcastle area soon?
Would be interesting to go have a look.

Geez Nelly which rock have you been hiding under? Never heard of a winch challenge? Better get your a$$ into gear and check one out.

Check here:
http://www.awwc.org.au/awwc_info/awwc_home.htm

http://www.procomp.com.au/Default.asp?MenuId=MLS_EVENTS

http://www.xtreme4x4sport.com.au/

Cheers,
Mark

imo 15K wont buy much of a rig. dzltech put it in the best way i have heard "there are 3 things power, reliabilty and price. but you can only have 2 of them without alot of/more money"

engine conversion will cost 6G alone, rollcage another 1500 (basic 4 point in chromoly) 2500 on tyres 2G min on suspension 1000 on car chop 1000 min on spare parts. the list goes on. if your running GQ diffs then youll need lots of CVs or cal offroad CVs.

it will add up quick and ive missed alot of stuff off the list

If you are in Vic that would be an acceptable buget for a production class car, engine mods are minimal, winches stock with a 6hp motor, cage, lockers, lights, tyres and away you go.

A competative challenge car would be minimum 50k if doing it yourself mostly.

Joel

chunderlicious wrote:it will add up quick

exactly
thats the reason I asked is it for fun, or to be competitive.

thanks for the replies and more fun then competative...
i would also like to do things like nissan trials more so than winch challenges

cheers

if you dont do the engine conversion you will be able to do production class winch challenge, which would be AWSOME fun still, you just have to keep standard items on the car and not have a 10K winch on the front. production class means you can drive it to the event if you like aswell and will be cheaper to run and fix.

I would not go with the 5.0l personally, I have had guys pulling out 5L and putting in the LS1 gen 3, They have all said that they fit much better, and the power is so much better, and easy to get 300kw with a stock motor and a tune.
plus they are much lighter, no dizzy to get water in. You could do that for $7G doin work yourself.

steve

with such a small budget you might want to start with something like a hj40 with pto. get a 12ht, spring over 35" 36" lock diffs money gone
or a old safari with pto suspetion lift body lift 36" money gone

Ok heres a good start..
GQ wagon. $5K.. doesnt matter if the back end is rusted..
Chop into an extra cab ute as there is hardly enough room for a cage in a ute cab..
Chev ls1 engine with nv4500 and toyota gear drive t/case $7-8K
4130 cromoly cage and tray $2-3K
6 inch coils with drop arms and some decent shockies would do to start.. $6k.. but x-link with coil overs would be best if budget was no issue..
GU diffs with cal offoad CV's and air lockers $6-7K
36" pedes on beadlocked rims $3k

theres an entry level comp truck for around $25k doin it yourself...

oh and don't forget.. you still have to get a winch and bar.. so about that amount again just for that. lol

Tomo_89 wrote:Ok heres a good start..
GQ wagon. $5K.. doesnt matter if the back end is rusted..
Chop into an extra cab ute as there is hardly enough room for a cage in a ute cab..
Chev ls1 engine with nv4500 and toyota gear drive t/case $7-8K
4130 cromoly cage and tray $2-3K
6 inch coils with drop arms and some decent shockies would do to start.. $6k.. but x-link with coil overs would be best if budget was no issue..
GU diffs with cal offoad CV's and air lockers $6-7K
36" pedes on beadlocked rims $3k

theres an entry level comp truck for around $25k doin it yourself...

Get the comp spec arms from 2dextreme, these will save you changing the chassis bush every stage.

come on now. every second stage

edit: if you get superior or similar drop boxes (with flat mounting surfaces) the bush will actually last a bit longer.

massive cheque book, lots of mates, a panel beater, credit cards, oh did i mention a massive cheque book?

start a buisness. say its your company car and write it all off on tax

No offense xxxhilux but you wouldent go backwards and buy a fj40, why would you go to something with leaf springs, for starters they ride like crap, if you spring over it, it will always fall over, toyota and LSD dont go together. for the same money you'd buy a patrol, chuck a hair dryer on the side chuck some 4" springs in it some 35's happy days.. there nicer to drive the interior is better the heater actualy works and there tuff. what more do i have to say. dont even bother with the V8 yet turbo the petrol or straight gas and turbo its cheaper, dont bother with coil overs, just stick a good coil in it and run a tuneable shock like kings, if you wanted to go alittle further chuck some hydrulic bump stops in it, stay away from body lifts just cut the guards. if you want it to be quick and handle good keep it relatively low. If you have any other questions message me. cheers.

Thanks for all your replies...
i have been ready them and takin your information into account

cheers

btw i already hav a GQ patrol
and i bought a 5L and a turbo 700 for it on the w/e

i also hav a gas system to suit on the way

ok youve got the car, youve got the engine. you running straight gas or duel fuel?

what id do
get the 700 built and manualised.
4 inch springs and koni or EFS shocks
extended bumpstops to suit
35-37s on beadlock rims
cal CVs
chromo cage and tray (if you want to run a tray)
good comfy seats that support you in tight situations but are still ok to get in and out
good harnesses again comfy, hold you in place and easy to get in and out of
a full car rewire to sort out any possible problems and make everything watertight aswell.
plus the other goodies like lights and GPS, winch, winchbar, other fancy shit.

you dont need a huge budget to have fun. 25K is what i keep getting told by competitive racers to be in the sport and not breaking every SS, you probably wont win but itll be fun. im up to about 20K and im not driving yet. so......