Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I just put BFG mud tyres onto my truck had only done 500km's on em went out on the rocks and put a cut in the sidewall which screwed the tyre!!! NOT HAPPY.

what tyre would you recommend with more strength in the side walls... wether it was just shear unluckiness or not i think i will need to look at going a more solid tyre for the driving i am getting into... although i dont want to have to spend to much as i will be going a spring over and then putting 35's or 36's.... so they will need to be atleast half comfortable on road too as thats what they will be used for... but if the compramise has to be made... off road is more the choice i would be heading too...


does anyone want to buy 3 bfg muds? 31X10.5 15 heh make an offer if you would like.

I bought some Kumho Venture Muddies (31x10.5x15")
off a mate who had them prior to me and they
are sweet as.

Mate did 8 months of hard driving in a worked 85 4-Runner with lift,
and a rear locker on them prior to going to 33X12.5s (only reason for swap).

I have had them for about 12 months of equally hard driving in my
hilux, and I've got twin lockers. There are a few chunks of tread missing in the rear cause of the lockers, but the fronts are sweet as.
The lux is my daily driver, so she sees alot of on-road use and a heap
of highway kays and they are really good. Very quiet for a muddy, and
in the dry, they handle surprisingly well.

I've gone 2 regos so far on these tyres without rotating them, probably
clocked about 20,000Kms on em, not to mention to 10K odd that my mate
did before me!

If I was going fo 31"s I'd definately buy them again.

Bart

i had some BFG's and i didnt rtae them at all...slippery in the wet, not too good offroad. them i got some pro comp xterrains and they were really good. werent too bad in the wet, excellant offroad. now i got mickey thompson claws and they are probably the best ive had. cant spin them at all in the wet *cough* diesel*cough* and they are awesome offroad and on sand.

Goodyear Wrangler MT/R

My choice of tyres?

255/85x16 BFG M/T's

I ripped a side of a Centenial Mud Campaigner out on the tilta door bracket backing into the garage, then ripped the side out of another on a tree stump a week later.

If you'r really that woried about sidewalls get some 7.50x16 Goodyear Custom Hi-Miler Extra Grips 12 ply crossplies, I had a guy try and slash them one night and could've left more marking with a texta.

bubs wrote:Goodyear Wrangler MT/R

I've had mine for 2 years and will definitely buy them again.

Old Yella wrote:

bubs wrote:Goodyear Wrangler MT/R

I've had mine for 2 years and will definitely buy them again.

37" MT/R's

yeap go the goodyear MT/Rs.

the MT/R's are pretty tough in the sidewall for a radial tyre but if you intend using them on the highway at high speed for long periods (like more than half an hour at a time) then maybe they're less than ideal, they have been known to shed chunks from the tread and delaminate.

if you want really tough sidewalls you really have to go for a bias ply tyre, and put up with crappy on-road performance, or run two sets of tyres.


I know what you mean about the BF's I've shredded about 7 BFG mudder sidewalls (33's and 35's), they're just weak in the sides, but I find them a pretty decent compromise tyre otherwise; not too noisy on the highway and they handle ok, and with the pressure down sufficiently they're ok on any dry surface, and I don't like mud anyway

dumbdunce wrote:the MT/R's are pretty tough in the sidewall for a radial tyre but if you intend using them on the highway at high speed for long periods (like more than half an hour at a time) then maybe they're less than ideal, they have been known to shed chunks from the tread and delaminate.

my MTR's sit on the freeway fine i drive down to Overkill's shop 2+ hours
fairly frenquently.
and have not have had any chunks taken out?

this is with 33's and 31's.

redzook wrote:
my MTR's sit on the freeway fine i drive down to Overkill's shop 2+ hours
fairly frenquently.
and have not have had any chunks taken out?

this is with 33's and 31's.

hehehe not enough weight in a zook to get them warm enough to do damage - the problems I have heard are on GU patrols and 80 series landcruisers.

i do alot of km's on mine aswell with no probs.

My bfgs have miminal road noise and are ok for an all round tyre.

I have done one sidewall and they have been on the truck for about a year and a half now. Prior to me owning the tyres my mate did and he did two sidewalls. I reckon its all to do with luck with the bfgs

I've been running BFG ATs in 31 and then 32s, good road tyre and OK for paddock bashing, but last year one of the 32's was impaled by a marker post on the side of the road that jumped out at the lux.

Putting MT/R 33s on tomorrow- let u know how they stand up to mongrel marker posts, and some fanging circle work... of course.

Bridgestone Dueler M/Ts are the go

Had a set of 33's on my troopy for just on 20,000ks and still as new with very little wear. I'm rotating every 5,000kms.

They've got heaps of tread depth, are excellent on road in the wet, and brilliant off road.

Bit noisy on bitumen, but when you drive a 40, noise isn't a major issue.

greenhilux wrote:i had some BFG's and i didnt rtae them at all...slippery in the wet, not too good offroad. them i got some pro comp xterrains and they were really good. werent too bad in the wet, excellant offroad. now i got mickey thompson claws and they are probably the best ive had. cant spin them at all in the wet *cough* diesel*cough* and they are awesome offroad and on sand.

Your lux must be abit puffed out .. I can spin my 35 claws in the with with a 1.6 ... they are truely fawkin scary in the wet ...

Must say my BFG Muds have worked well for me. Had them on coupla Rangies and a Zuk and never had a puncture or side wall damage. Have performed better in Vic conditions than MT/R's from what I've seen and have been wearing pretty well. They don't compare to something like a Simex in the mud though!!!

I like the look of the Procomp X-terrains though - might get some for my next set of "road" tyres.

If you're limiting yourself to 31s, why not try out the Simex MT in that size? Seems to be a good MTR killer.

44 inc tsl

dumbdunce wrote:the MT/R's are pretty tough in the sidewall for a radial tyre but if you intend using them on the highway at high speed for long periods (like more than half an hour at a time) then maybe they're less than ideal, they have been known to shed chunks from the tread and delaminate.

First ive ever heard of this. One of my bosses runs these on his rangie which weighs almost 4tonnes and put around 80thousand on his last set and they had no chunks removed. They do a lot of offroad work as well and he drove to Cairns and back sitting on 100-110 both ways. I dont think he ever even had a flat tyre.

RUFF wrote:

dumbdunce wrote:the MT/R's are pretty tough in the sidewall for a radial tyre but if you intend using them on the highway at high speed for long periods (like more than half an hour at a time) then maybe they're less than ideal, they have been known to shed chunks from the tread and delaminate.

First ive ever heard of this. One of my bosses runs these on his rangie which weighs almost 4tonnes and put around 80thousand on his last set and they had no chunks removed. They do a lot of offroad work as well and he drove to Cairns and back sitting on 100-110 both ways. I dont think he ever even had a flat tyre.

I agree, drove from sydney to brisbane non stop on a set of 37's and no probs. That was in an 80 with a 6.5L Turbo

i have had 32,33,& 35 inch bfg's muds on all my previous 4bys,

never had a sidewall prob, they only drama that i seem to have it i keep popping beads on the 35's but thats life i guess.

but i am going to try the MTR's next as they seem to be a very good tyre.

Thats all good news to be hearing about the MTRs, I will be getting a set for my cruiser.

Want to get 35's, would like to get even bigger but, in QLD I am not sure of the Local Constabulary and how much I may get pulled up, probably risking it on 35s.

Just out of curiosity though. Are there any particular tyre sizes that come off the beads on certain size rims: i.e., would a 35 tend to break a bead on an 8 or 10 inch rim, and what about 33s.

If so, might have to change my rim size to suit the size tyre i would like.
Would a tyre with a good sidewall tend to break the bead more so than a soft sidewall or vice versa.

The all purpose all terrain tyre that gives good performance on and off the road, is a myth. There is no such animal.

The best tyre for you depends largely on you, your driving habits and your vehicle.

No sidewall is immune from staking, but to give you the best protection you need to go for an old fashioned bias constructed tyre. (crossply) Interco's Super Swamper would be my favorite there but there are plenty of others.

However Take heed of this warning. Crossply tyres are illegal to use on most modern 4x4s. Although it is unlikely that you would be booked for having them on your vehicle, if it were to be noticed in an accident investigation, your insurance company might be unfavourably interested.

The long and short is that, unless you go the whole nine yards and run two sets of tyres, one set for on the road and one for off road, you are going to have to compromise one or the other.

Mark.

If you seriously want to sell them, how much money for the three remaining MTs?

Toolmark wrote:However Take heed of this warning. Crossply tyres are illegal to use on most modern 4x4s. Although it is unlikely that you would be booked for having them on your vehicle, if it were to be noticed in an accident investigation, your insurance company might be unfavourably interested.

Mark.

Mickey Thompson Bias Tires are Street legal. They are load and speed rated and approved for street use.

Running Pro comp Mud 35's - good on road and okay up bush - don't clear too well on clay but thats okay - low tyre pressure = get there!!

Good on road as well.

I have run 32's KN muds, and 33's and well - they aren't the same as old style - too soft and slick on wet roads....

Will be going Simex soon for bush only...

Pro comp Xterrains are agood compromise tyre though - seen heaps of peopel clock big KM's with good wear on em!

Crossply tyres are perfectly legal, provided you have them on all 4 corners of a 4x4, ie. dont mix and match, and besides that swampers would be illegal on most cars anyway because of their size!

An insurance company has to pay you unless its proven that you had exeeded the tires speed rating, and in most cases means that you were doing over the state limit anyway, so you have little chance of getting paid in the end.

i have 35 bfg mud terrain i got one 100 % and am goin to buy another and put them on the back when the others wear out
1)should i buy a different brand or stick to the bfg's
2)is it illegal to mix?
3)and are 35's illegal whats the fine or penalty? How can this be overcome? without stating the obvious.
Thx.

In qld the modifications leaflet handed out by queensland transport states you can only increase your tyre size 1" from standard, although i think an amendment was made to say 2" for 4wd vehicles (although im not sure).

You're also only allowed to increase your rolling diametre by 50mm and tyre width by 1.5 times the manufactures specification (only for live axles not IFS/IRS, 1.3times for non beam axles) which unless youve got some wacky offsets makes any tyre above 1" (half inch wider at each tyre) wider than the origonal tyres illegal.

if you could offset your tyre back under your car (not usually possible) you could technically go about 15" wide

Leaflet also states that the tyre cannot protrude from the side of the vehicle unless the origonal manufacturers design did so. so if you go fatter tyres make sure you got flares.

for a 60 series i think the biggest tyre released by toyota was 30x10.5 which makes 32x11.5's (32x15 with offset ) the maximum, 12.5's could work legally if you could offset the rim back an inch. although id say aslong as the tyre doesnt protrude youd be alright.

if anyone knows for sure the biggest tyre released by toyota on a 60 series i would really like to know.


leaflet doesnt say anything about mixing tyres.


The fine would be $170 3 points and a defect notice. Would mean youd have to present the vehicle at a queensland transport centre with the defect fixed. (new tyres :( ) If the cop/transport inspector is an arse he could make you tilt tray the car from where you were pulled.