Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Guts wrote:Agree.
20g min for something worth while..

I have been trying to build something turnkey for $5000 labour which really is cutting it fairly tight. For us at Haultech there is about 200 hours in building something that I have built before - so this works out to be $25/hour which is very cheap and really not enough money to make it worth while but Ill do it for anybody who is keen to compete in WE Rock cause I really want to get this thing happening.

Heres some costs of something like Tonys Budgie:

Engine/gearbox/transfer (96disco) - 4000
Axles (hilux) - 750
Steel - 500
Steering - 350
Steer hoses - 200
Pedal assembly (hilux) - 100
Steering wheel - 150
Seats - 200
Harnsses - 200
suspension links (bushes all round) - 500
wheels/beadlocks/tyres - 2500
tailshafts - 200
Radiator/fans -300
radiator piping - 100
fuel tank - 300
gauges - 150
fuelpump - 150
wiring - 200
panals(aluminium) - 200
paint - 150
shocks - 320
springs and mount plates - 350
winch - 1000


Total - 12550

plus 5000 labour = 17500 and this doesent include lockers.

But this is to get something like Tonys budgie.

To get to Adrians Jeckle you need plus
Heim joints 1000
full hydro - 1500
fox air shox - 2200
and less the components that you remove.

To do things cheaper you could buy a donor car and try to use everything out of it.

Could sart with a 86 rangie with auto gearbox and carbed 3.5L v8 and power steer - for say $2000 so this would be

Rangie - $2000
Axles (hilux) - 750 (would still go for hilux axles)
Steel - 500
Steering wheel - 150 (rangie steering wheel way to big)
Seats - 200
Harnsses - 200
Links - 0 (Use rangie links all round but make the rear lowers longer and stronger)
wheels/beadlocks/tyres - 2500
Radiator fan -100
radiator piping - 100
fuel tank - 300
gauges - 150
fuelpump - 0 (rangie already got one)
wiring - 200
panals(aluminium) - 200
paint - 150
shocks - 320 (still need longer shocks)
springs and mount plates - 0 (from rangie)
winch - 1000

Total - 8820 + labour (and stillno lockers)

If you went for a cheaper rangie couls get something for $500 - (manual and power steer)

so total here would be $7320
If you used the rangie diffs then $6570 but then the axles are week and you will struggle for enough gearing

If you run a carbed 3.5l rangie v8 should really run 4.88 hilux axles. If you run a late model 3.9injected then the 4.3 or 4.1 hilux work well. If you want a bit more crown and pinion strength then toyota 60 series works very well (both Tony and myself eat Hilux crownwheels - they never have failed but we are always swapping them out cause we chip teeth)

For me Im not sure that there is a cheeper way than using a rangie or disco engine/gearbox/transfer cause they are relatively cheep and powerfull and you dont need to throw transfer gears at them cause with the V8 and stock low range of 3.3:1 they work not too bad.

We are now looking at using Comnodore V6 and T700 auto in front of a rover LT230 transfer (this is the one we are all using) This works out to be:
engine and geabox from commodore - 1000
transfer - 600
remove and replace output shaft for resplining - 400
respline output shaft - 400
auto to transfer adapter - 600

total - 3000. What this does is gets you perfect gearing (3:1 first gear and 3.3:1 transfer) and a much cheaper engine and gearbox if you do blow something up. It also should be slightly cheaper than the $4000 setups we are currently using but we havnt done this yet so it may not necessarily work out cheaper.

antt wrote:cheapest way (as with any vehicle) is to buy it secondhand already built

exhibit A - http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic153710.php

Strange Rover wrote:So since then the most common power plant is the comodore v6/turbo 700 and then adapt to rover transfer which is fairly straight forward if you know how. So cost is about $600 for good v6 and t700 and say $500 for good rover transfer and then say $500 to adapt if you know how to do it your self and maybe $1000 if you dont.

Throw in some 60 series diffs for $800 front and rear and you are away...just add up the rest of the bits and you have your cost.

I recon I could build something more capable than any bodied rig for less than $7000 in parts...plus wheels and tyres

Engine/gearbox/commodore) - 600
Transfer (rover) - 500
Adapter - 600
Axles (60 series) - 600
Steel - 500
full hydro steer - 1500
Pedal assembly - 100
Steering wheel - 150
Seats - 200
Harnsses - 200
suspension links with cheap heims - 1000
tailshafts - 200
Radiator/fans -150
radiator piping - 100
fuel tank - 300
fuelpump - 150



Sam

N*A*M wrote:i would probably consider selling this pimp ride for a good deal