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HID & Legality

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:11 am
by me3@neuralfibre.com
I know this has come up before - but never got resolved.

Does anyone have a firm link to the ADR's that state that HID are illegal?

I have heard all the stories, cleaning requirements, auto levelling etc etc.
I also read what I thought were the relevent ADR's. Nothign I could find excluded HID.
I'm assuming it's not illegal by omission - ie because it's not discussed it's autoamtically out. That would also exclude OEM solutions.

Any links appreciated. General opinions without links we have all heard before are probably not needed.

Thanx
Paul

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:25 am
by BundyRumandCoke
Cant provide links, but when researching to add spotlights to my bike, the word from number of retailers was- HID upgrades to headlights are illegal. Only vehicles originally fitted with HID headlights can have them. I wanted to find out the legalilities of it, as I wanted to keep the bike 100% legal.

Spotlights, on the other hand, are not covered by the relevent ADR's, so fitment of them is legal, assuming all other rules regarding spotlight fitment are followed.

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:41 pm
by mkpatrol
Modifying a headlamps is not illegal, they just need to be modified in the accordance with the laws apliccable, it just means that they do not meet the parameters of the original testing any more so they have to be re certified, usually by an engineer approved by the state you are living in if it is to be used on a production vehicle.

Every state has rules on this.

To answer your question;

Ok, ADR's 75, 77 & 78 apply to vehilces with gas discharge low beam headlamps. Self levelling & head lamp cleaners are apliccable althogh the self levelling is in ADR13 as well.

ADR77 & 78 apply only for high beam.

Link:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... nline.aspx

Are HID the same as Gas Discharge (I am not familiar with these & never read any threads on them)? If so these ADR's are apliccable.

If they are not gas discharge then ADR46 applies along with ADR13 for fitment (ADR13 applies to the fitment & operation of all lamps).

If the state authority ask you to comply with the ADR's then these are the ones you need to comply with.

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:42 pm
by ISUZUROVER
Google is your friend:
Here is a big post on the research into the legislation I did a little while back, as posted on the toymods forums.



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I see so many threads around the place asking about HID conversions. People talk about the ADR's, but never actually tell anyone what they really say.

I've done a little research, and this is what i've found....




Ok, here are the ADR's regarding HID headlamps and normal headlamps...

Links here:
Third Edition Australian Design Rules
ADR 13
ADR 45


QUOTE
Australian Design Rule 13/00 – Installation of Lighting and Light Signalling Devices on other than L-Group Vehicles

6.2.9. Other requirements

The requirements of paragraph 5.5.2. shall not apply to dipped-beam headlamps. Dipped-beam headlamps shall not swivel according to the angle of lock of steering. Dipped-beam headlamps with gas-discharge light sources shall only be permitted in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No. 45. In addition, with respect to vertical inclination, the provision of paragraph 6.2.6.2.2. shall not be applied when these headlamps are installed.

Paragraph 5.5.2 basically says that if a fitting won't work just by fitting a globe, it's not considered a light. (Ie optional driving lights that aren't fitted aren't lights etc).

And regarding 6.2.6.2.2...


QUOTE
6.2.6.2.2. However, devices which are adjusted manually, either continuously or non- continuously, shall be permitted, provided they have a stop positon at which the lamps can be returned to the initial inclination defined in paragraph 6.2.6.1.1. by means of the usual adjusting screws or similar means.
These manually adjustable devices must be operable from the driver's seat.
Continually adjustable devices must have reference makes indicating the loading conditions that require adjustment of the dipped-beam.
The number of positions on devices which are not continuously adjustable must be such as to ensure compliance with the range of values prescribed in paragraph 6.2.6.1.2. in all the loading conditions defined in Annex 5.
For these devices also, the loading conditions of Annex 5 that require adjustment of the dipped-beam shall be clearly marked near the control of the device (see Annex (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dirol.gif) .

So according to 6.2.9, the part of clause 6.2.6.2.2 that states manual adjustment is permitted, is NOT permitted in the case of HID fitment, ie, manual adjustment isn't allowed. So that means you need to comply with the previous clause, which is shown below:


QUOTE
6.2.6.2.1. In the case where a headlamp levelling device is necessary to satisfy the requirements of paragraphs 6.2.6.1.1. and 6.2.6.1.2., the device shall be automatic.

Therefore, automatic self levelling is required. (the two paragraphs mentioned refer to the actual specifications for beam angle etc).


But what about ADR 45?, well that refers mainly to signal lamps, but it does outline the colour variations permitted for lighting. I haven't converted the numbers to easy to understand form, but basically, white has to be white, not blue, yellow or purple. Ie 10,000K HID's are illegal.

QUOTE
Australian Design Rule 45/01 – Lighting and Light Signalling Devices not Covered by ECE Regulations

45.2. GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS

45.2.1. Lamps shall be so designed and constructed that in normal use, despite the vibrations to which they may then be subjected, they continue to function satisfactorily and retain the characteristics prescribed by this Rule.

45.2.2. The colour of the light emitted shall be within the limits of the co-ordinates prescribed in Clause 45.2.2.1 for the colour in question.

45.2.2.1. Colours of Lamps- Trichromatic Co-ordinates

Photometric blah blah stuff.... Just keep it white (ie under 6500K).







Then we get to the gas discharge specific ADR's.....

Links:
ADR75 - Headlamp Cleaners
ADR 77 - Gas Discharge Headlamps
ADR 78 - Gas Discharge light Sources


QUOTE
Australian Design Rule 75/00 - Headlamp Cleaners

6 GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS

6.1 The headlamp cleaner shall be designed and constructed to clean those parts of the light-emitting surface of the headlamp which distribute the passing beam and the driving beam so that at least the cleaning effect specified in paragraph 7 below is achieved.

6.2 The headlamp cleaner shall be furthermore so designed that:

6.2.1 When parts of the headlamp cleaner in the rest position(s) are on the headlamps' illuminating surface, the photometric values of the headlamps, .... blah blah, not more than a 5% reduction in light output.....

6.2.1.1 Paragraph 6.2.1. is not applicable when the headlamp and the parts of the headlamp cleaner referred to in paragraph 6.2.1. form a complete assembly during the approval of the headland;

6.2.2 During operation, except in the rest position, the mechanical parts shall not cover more than:

6.2.2.1 20 % of the illuminating surface of a passing lamp,

6.2.2.2 10 % of the illuminating surface of a driving lamp with no high beam.

6.2.3 It is able to operate at all temperatures between -10 degrees C and +35 degrees C and to operate satisfactorily at speeds between 0 and 130 km/h (or the maximum speed of the vehicle if it is below 130 km/h); .......... the cleaner shall remain undamaged if exposed to a temperature of -35 degrees C and of +80 degrees C respectively for a period of one hour;

6.2.4 In normal use, in spite of the vibration to which it may be subjected, its satisfactory operation continues to be ensured;

6.2.5 It will not be functionally damaged due to water, ice or snow accumulating on it during normal operation of the vehicle, even if the cleaning liquid is frozen; a temporary failure due to freezing or deposit of snow shall not be considered as damage, provided that the device can be made to work again by simple means;

6.2.6 Elements which may come into contact with the cleaning fluid must be resistant against a mixture consisting of 50 % methyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol and 50 % water;

6.2.7 Its parts do not hinder the adjustment of the headlamps or the inserting or changing of filament lamps; if necessary, the cleaner or parts of it may be detachable, if they can be removed with simple tools.

6.3 Parts of the headlamp cleaner which, in the rest position(s) and/or during operation, form part of the external surface of the vehicle, shall meet the following requirements:

6.3.x. goes on to basically state that there are to be no no sharp or pointy parts, like bonnet scoops but scaled down..... Have a read for the details.

QUOTE
6.5 In case of approval of a vehicle the following requirements shall also be met:

6.5.1 Cleaning of all passing (high beam) headlamps shall be compulsory. If there are more than two driving headlamps, the cleaning of one pair of these headlamps shall be sufficient;

6.5.2 If the cleaner has a fluid container this may be combined with the fluid container for the windscreen washers and the rear window washer.......



ADR 77 states the following items of interest:

QUOTE
Australian Design Rule 77/00 - Gas Discharge Headlamps


6.1.1 Headlamps shall be so made that with suitable gas-discharge light source they give adequate illuminance without dazzle when emitting the passing beam, and good illumination when emitting the driving beam.

6.1.6 The trichromatic coordinates of the light of the beams emitted by headlamps using gas- discharge light sources must be in the following boundaries:

limit towards:
blue: x > 0.310
yellow: x < 0.500
green: y < 0.150 + 0.640x
green: y < 0.440
purple: y > 0.050 + 0.750x
red: y > 0.382

6.2.1 The passing beam must produce a sufficiently sharp "cut-off" to permit a satisfactory adjustment with it's aid. The "cut-off" must be a horizontal straight line on the side opposite to the direction of traffic for which the headlamp is intended: on the other side .....(it can't be too high or low)...... A cut-off extending above a combination of these lines shall in no circumstances be permitted.

6.2.2.1 .....in the case of headlamps designed to meet the requirements of left-hand traffic, the "cut-off" on the right-half of the screen is horizontal.....

So dazzle and light spill above the horizontal (slightly higher on the passenger side) is a no go.

(If anyone can convert those trichromatic coordinates to a more 'real world' figure, I love you long time....)

QUOTE
6.2.5 Only one gas-discharge light source is permitted for each passing beam headlamp.

So no doubling up of HID globes in your headlights. Levelling is taken care of in ADR 13 above. ('aint the labrynth of ADR's wonderful??)



And ADR 78 basically goes into the specifics of globe design, specifics on the arc discharge (shape, photometrics etc) but I wouldn't worry too much about that, as long as you dont have blue or purple HID's.





So there you go, after all the lawyer speak and technical jargon. If the HID fitting isn't self levelling, doesn't have a headlamp cleaning system and isn't white (as in, white), then it's illegal.

Actually, technically ANY retrofit is illegal, due to the lack of relevant testing and certification (read ADR 77 for the testing method if you can't sleep...), but if you follow the above, your HID retrofit will at least be technically compliant and won't blind me when I drive past!
http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/for ... pic=539498


EDIT - this company states that (their) HID kits are "NOT ADR COMPLIANT OR LEGAL FOR ROAD USE ON LOW BEAM"
http://www.xenonoz.com.au/faqs.php#10

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:03 pm
by Moph
Under ADR13, filament headlamps are exempted from the requirements of Appendix A which specifies dipped beam lights (passing lights / low beams) must be self-levelling (automatic or manually controllable from driver's seat) - see Section 5.3 below.

HID's are not filament lamps and therefore are not exempted from the requirement to be self-levelling. While Appendix A Section 6.2.2.2 allows manually operated levelling devices operated from the driver's seat, Appendix A Section 6.2.9 states that manually operated is NOT acceptable for gas-discharge bulbs. Hence you MUST have automatic self-levelling headlights to have HIDs as your main lights.

Further, Appendix A Section 6.2.9 requires gas discharge bulbs to have a headlamp cleaning device installed.

ADR46 states that driving lights (additional lights above and beyond standard passing beams and main beams) do not have to comply with ADR46, and as driving lights are not dipped beams they do not have to self-level.

So you can legally have:

1) Halogen (filament) all round without self-levelling
2) Halogen (filament) low beam + HID high beam without self-levelling
3) HID low + high beam with auto self-levelling and headlamp cleaning devices
4) Driving lights can be HID or halogen, non-self levelling but the sum total of all main-beam lights (ie factory high beams, NOT including additional driving lights) cannot be more than 225,000cd.
ADR13 Section 5.3 wrote:For vehicles fitted with filament headlamps, the requirements of the following paragraphs in Appendix A are not applicable:
- 6.2.6.1 (vertical orientation for dipped beam);
- 6.2.6.2 (Headlamp levelling) and
- 6.2.6.3 (Measuring procedure).
ADR13 Appendix A wrote:6.2.6.1. (stringent criteria that must be met with regards to vertical orientation)
6.2.6.2. Headlamp levelling device
6.2.6.2.1. In the case where a headlamp levelling device is necessary to satisfy the requirements of paragraphs 6.2.6.1.1. and 6.2.6.1.2., the device shall be automatic.
6.2.6.2.2. (provision for manually operated levelling devices, controlled from driver's seat, that are not applicable to HID lights due to App A 6.2.9 below)
ADR13 Appendix A wrote: 6.2.9. Other requirements
... Dipped-beam headlamps with gas-discharge light sources shall only be permitted in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No. 45. In addition, with respect to vertical inclination, the provision of paragraph 6.2.6.2.2. shall not be applied when these headlamps are installed.

6.1.9.1. The aggregate maximum intensity of the main-beam headlamps which can be switched on simultaneously shall not exceed 225,000cd, which corresponds to a reference value of 75.

***EDIT***
Bugger. Took me so long to do the research that I was soundly beaten to it!!! :lol:

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:05 pm
by ISUZUROVER
mkpatrol wrote:
Are HID the same as Gas Discharge
Yep - HID = High Intensity (gas) Discharge

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:59 pm
by me3@neuralfibre.com
Responses are excellent - thank you.

All the ADR's I read (not the ones above) spoke about filament bulbs, and construction.

So the HID for High beam without self levelling or cleaning should be fine? Assuming you don't exceed the maximum candela light output.

Thanx
Paul

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:30 pm
by Moph
me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:So the HID for High beam without self levelling or cleaning should be fine? Assuming you don't exceed the maximum candela light output.
Believe so. Would think you'd have to be running shabby-ish 35W HIDs to have any chance of being less than 225,000 candela though - Lightforce Striker 170s are 350,000 candela for the pair, and they're 100W halogen.

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:59 pm
by ISUZUROVER
Moph wrote:
me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:So the HID for High beam without self levelling or cleaning should be fine? Assuming you don't exceed the maximum candela light output.
Believe so. Would think you'd have to be running shabby-ish 35W HIDs to have any chance of being less than 225,000 candela though - Lightforce Striker 170s are 350,000 candela for the pair, and they're 100W halogen.
Which is really the biggest issue IMHO. Regardless of design and construction, 99.9% would be above light intensity specs. But then again so are all the aftermarket (higher wattage) halogen conversions...