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lookin at various engine options for a hilux and although id love the gen 3 for a budget ive noticed that a lot of people are putting commodore v6's and autos in the older luxes - just wondering how they go with larger tyres etc - prob look at stepping up to 35/36's in the future so wouldnt want to waste my money on a motor transplant option that wont turn em or runs too fast for slow crawling.
Im building a project 84 dual cab lux

the buick commodore v6 is easy to keep cool, cheap, light and fairly powerful.

With the right ratio combinations and tyre sizes you can make it how u want.

Rekit the trans b4 u put it in as the commodore slushbox is the first thing to go...

Ive seen full conversions done properly for 2k...

cool thanks , just tryin to get ideas - would really love the gen3 but the missus has hold of the wallet. and i have a vp v6 and auto in the shed

I know a local guy with a Commo V6 set up in his Lux. I think he has dramas with rear diffs... but that might have something to do with he right foot....
One of his mates had a 5L in a dual Lux but it was thirsty and spent most of it's time on Stokton cooling down.

i had the v6 commo setup in my old lux running the standard G52 five speed gearbox i went threw 3 gearboxs and 1 diff but it depends on how u drive i was towing a fair bit of weight with mine. they are thirsty on fuel mine used about 17litres per 100kms
if i was going to do the conversion again i'd run 4.88 diff gears to run 35's and reduction gears in the transfer

Cheaper going 3rz and way easier, no adaptors

yeah go 3rz its designed for off and on road , not a v6 thats designed to push a commodor at 100km along the highway.

If your considering the v6 id go a step further and look at the 304 5.0L. Same fuel economy from what i can tell, and the 304 will make a lot more low down torque.
Ive just gone from 308 on gas to 304 injected in my 86 single cab and so far i am getting 16 litres/100km, stays cool all the time even with these stinkin hot days we are having. Picked the motor up for $1650 with everything you need.
Also if your looking at autos the gearing will pose a problem for you as it did for me, the autos tend to want to run away from you down hill which is frickin scary as, reduced gearing in the transfer solved that for me.

I think it depends on your budget, im sure you will see a lot of guys on here have lots of success with the 3rzfe motors too, they are bullet proof motors and are not too expensive to do either. Doing the v8 is always going to add a fair bit more cost onto your project

Cheers

Just a quick question.... what motors are the 3rz & 3rzfe out of and whats the difference.... I'm guessing a later model hilux and turbo/non turbo??? And these would be a 3ltr engine??? Just guessin though!!

Mate of mine has an 85 4runner and looking at doing a conversion somewhere down the track, so still considering options atm. Cheaper and easier the better.... but anythings got to be better than the old 2.4 deisel in it now!!!

brighty wrote:Just a quick question.... what motors are the 3rz & 3rzfe out of and whats the difference.... I'm guessing a later model hilux and turbo/non turbo??? And these would be a 3ltr engine??? Just guessin though!!

Mate of mine has an 85 4runner and looking at doing a conversion somewhere down the track, so still considering options atm. Cheaper and easier the better.... but anythings got to be better than the old 2.4 deisel in it now!!!

3RZ is what people shorten it to 3RZ-FE is the full engine code like a 1UZ is a 1UZ-FE etc.

They are a 2.7 twin cam efi 4cyl petrol. They came in Hiluxs both 2wd and 4wd from late 97 on. They changed to a different efi system around 02 and I believe to VVTI from around 05. They are a great motor and as said above a very cheap conversion, Id put one in before a commo 6 everytime.

2 grand to do a v6
I did mine but dont have it anymore it cost 6 grand in parts but it was a mint conversion they go well but dont use the origanal 5 spd

Ryan_006 wrote:If your considering the v6 id go a step further and look at the 304 5.0L. Same fuel economy from what i can tell, and the 304 will make a lot more low down torque.
Ive just gone from 308 on gas to 304 injected in my 86 single cab and so far i am getting 16 litres/100km, stays cool all the time even with these stinkin hot days we are having. Picked the motor up for $1650 with everything you need.
Also if your looking at autos the gearing will pose a problem for you as it did for me, the autos tend to want to run away from you down hill which is frickin scary as, reduced gearing in the transfer solved that for me.

I think it depends on your budget, im sure you will see a lot of guys on here have lots of success with the 3rzfe motors too, they are bullet proof motors and are not too expensive to do either. Doing the v8 is always going to add a fair bit more cost onto your project

Cheers

I've got the 304 injected as well. Thursty damn yes, forgot to add the speed sensor, 25-30 ltrs per 100kms and yes i no that is way to much, but that what it is doing (untill i fix the f#$ker).
Conversion kit $$$ are damn close wether or not is V6 or V8, the only diff i found was the engine. V6 would give you more engine bay room.

booflux wrote:

brighty wrote:Just a quick question.... what motors are the 3rz & 3rzfe out of and whats the difference.... I'm guessing a later model hilux and turbo/non turbo??? And these would be a 3ltr engine??? Just guessin though!!

Mate of mine has an 85 4runner and looking at doing a conversion somewhere down the track, so still considering options atm. Cheaper and easier the better.... but anythings got to be better than the old 2.4 deisel in it now!!!

3RZ is what people shorten it to 3RZ-FE is the full engine code like a 1UZ is a 1UZ-FE etc.

They are a 2.7 twin cam efi 4cyl petrol. They came in Hiluxs both 2wd and 4wd from late 97 on. They changed to a different efi system around 02 and I believe to VVTI from around 05. They are a great motor and as said above a very cheap conversion, Id put one in before a commo 6 everytime.

Second that. They are a good strong motor that can handle some boost as well

ive got a v6 in mine 4.8 ratios and dual cases and it works great except over heats and blows cv's like they are paddle pops lol other than that awesome for the price range and a v8 would just cause more dramas with braking running gear... ill let you no when its goin good and got 42's running gear mite not cope to good

pom wrote: works great except over heats

Just what a slow 4wd needs

there are ways to sort out over heating, just costs more trial end error

marks adaptors have engine driven fans for them they work well but noisy

can also get larger radiators, when ute comes back from getting auto rebuilt, will be testing a 50mm thick all alloy commie radiator with a 16" thermo with shroud.

there aint much room in the engine bay now

My 304 has zero heating issues running a standard hilux sized alloy rad and twin 8 inch thermos on the front side(lack of engine bay room), would probably work equally as good on the v6

pom wrote:ive got a v6 in mine 4.8 ratios and dual cases and it works great except over heats and blows cv's like they are paddle pops lol other than that awesome for the price range and a v8 would just cause more dramas with braking running gear... ill let you no when its goin good and got 42's running gear mite not cope to good

I ran the standard hilux diesel radiator in mine with a vs v6 thermo fan and had no overheating issues

yer im gettin the same a bigger alloy radiator and dual thermos and ill see how that goes my power steering fluid boils too

and if you go the auto, be gentle, and make sure you fit a breather to it if you go any where near water.

lesson learned

yer ive gone the auto and it hasnt worked proply from day one so im puttin a new one in and see how it goes seems ok out bush as in the respects of easier to drive