Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Gday im looking at the 1uzfe conversion in my 85 4runner, i have been put under the impression that the stock g52 cases arent all that tough, ive mated 2 stock cases behind it chromo output shaft. just not sure if i want to fork out the extra money on top of the engine conversion, if i need to get a r151 or 154 box and then crawler adaptor to suit etc.

also anyone know of a repritable conversion specialist in the newcastle or sydney area. been down the chev v8 road in a gq b4 its a pain in the ass.. cheers

I dont like your chances- A Turbo'd 2.8D will destroy a G52.

yeh thats whats in it now, before i get it engineered and back on the road i wouldnt mind uping the hp.

ferrit wrote:I dont like your chances- A Turbo'd 2.8D will destroy a G52.

Alot depends on your driving style though.

mate yes it will i have a 1uz with 33's and had used the g52 it lasted around 1 year then i distroyed 3rd had it rebuilt ($1600) then 1 month later with no hard driving blew again, im now running a r151 and it would be wise if you bought the r series when you do the conversion.

Tower wrote: had it rebuilt ($1600)

Guts runs a g52 without problems but he is one of the few that manage to do it. Maybe he just drives like a girl

ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

booflux wrote:Guts runs a g52 without problems but he is one of the few that manage to do it. Maybe he just drives like a girl

I've seen him drive, he does actually cane the piss out of it every now and then believe it or not. Seen RUFF give it a hiding as well.

Twistinchassie wrote:ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

http://www.trail-gear.com/v6-adapter.html No doubt locktup will be able to get it.

Twistinchassie wrote:ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

Locktup sell an adapter to run the gear drive cases either duals or single with gears behind the R series boxes. I have one coming for mine.

www.locktup4x4.com.au

ok excelent, all the gear well most of it is trail gear i got it b4 loctup had opened. ive tried searching around but any one know if the r154 (supra box late) is basically the same as the r151 surf/lux box? as in can i mount the transfer case behind the supra box? cheers all

www.locktup4x4.com.au is gold, very helfull and fast delivery!!

I run a 308 holden with the surf R151 and Twin Gear driven Transfers, works a treat. (unsing the adaptor from locktup)

The G52 went kaboom after 6 months with the old 253 (63kw at the back wheels) and twin transfers turning 35" claws.

catcha
Leeham

booflux wrote:

Twistinchassie wrote:ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

Locktup sell an adapter to run the gear drive cases either duals or single with gears behind the R series boxes. I have one coming for mine.

www.locktup4x4.com.au

Just a word of warning with those- If its the Advanced Adaptors one (the same one marks sells) the supplied input seal for the transfer case is a very loose fit, and wil leak. Just glue the bastard in with RTV silicone and it wont leak a drop!

sloshy wrote:

booflux wrote:Guts runs a g52 without problems but he is one of the few that manage to do it. Maybe he just drives like a girl

I've seen him drive, he does actually cane the piss out of it every now and then believe it or not. Seen RUFF give it a hiding as well.

The G52 would not last long if Ruff drove it more often.
I have been running it now for about 3 years without issue, I do expect it to go boom one day

If your doing the conversion on a super tight budget there is nothing wrong with using the G52 and then when you have more money a few years down the track upgrading it to something stronger. It also depends on how often you bust them, if its only 1 every 5 years is it worth the extra cost? For me so far, no its not.

G52 is borderline, would have to be gentle. R150 is holding my boosted 1UZ fine.

For the actual conversion (if that's what you meant in 1st post) HiTech 4x4 at Penrith have done a few. Including mine in the white 4Runner, one of the first in Aus many years ago...

Guts wrote:

sloshy wrote:

booflux wrote:Guts runs a g52 without problems but he is one of the few that manage to do it. Maybe he just drives like a girl

I've seen him drive, he does actually cane the piss out of it every now and then believe it or not. Seen RUFF give it a hiding as well.

The G52 would not last long if Ruff drove it more often.
I have been running it now for about 3 years without issue, I do expect it to go boom one day

If your doing the conversion on a super tight budget there is nothing wrong with using the G52 and then when you have more money a few years down the track upgrading it to something stronger. It also depends on how often you bust them, if its only 1 every 5 years is it worth the extra cost? For me so far, no its not.

Depends how you look at it, the adapters are the same price regardless of the gearbox. I paid 400 for my R series box and sold the w series for the same. The way I looked at it if the r series blew up down the track it was worth rebuilding to have a decent box. How much would it cost you to change to a different gearbox if you ever had to??

Cost of the box and what ever is need between the box and the T case. Then some welding and redrilling on the bell housing I have (this is why I went with CRS adaptor)

I think one of the biggest issues MOST people have with G52 gearboxes is that most of them are old and have done heeps of k's. So when they get dropped behind a V8 or even a V6 they go bang as they are already half worn out. I also NEVER load up 5th gear and never select 5th at anything under 80 - 90k/hr.

Tower, you must have had a bearing fail or something

ferrit wrote:

booflux wrote:

Twistinchassie wrote:ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

Locktup sell an adapter to run the gear drive cases either duals or single with gears behind the R series boxes. I have one coming for mine.

www.locktup4x4.com.au

Just a word of warning with those- If its the Advanced Adaptors one (the same one marks sells) the supplied input seal for the transfer case is a very loose fit, and wil leak. Just glue the bastard in with RTV silicone and it wont leak a drop!

Its not an AA Adaptor. This is a T-G manufactured part.

Are you guys breaking the the G52's while your in 4 low or have the dual cases in "double 4 low"? We aren't breaking them very often, but we generally don't have the big number motors in front of them either. That being said I broke my turbo trany so bad it split the case with my huge 22RE.

Jason

locktup4x4 wrote:

ferrit wrote:

booflux wrote:

Twistinchassie wrote:ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

Locktup sell an adapter to run the gear drive cases either duals or single with gears behind the R series boxes. I have one coming for mine.

www.locktup4x4.com.au

Just a word of warning with those- If its the Advanced Adaptors one (the same one marks sells) the supplied input seal for the transfer case is a very loose fit, and wil leak. Just glue the bastard in with RTV silicone and it wont leak a drop!

Its not an AA Adaptor. This is a T-G manufactured part.

Are you guys breaking the the G52's while your in 4 low or have the dual cases in "double 4 low"? We aren't breaking them very often, but we generally don't have the big number motors in front of them either. That being said I broke my turbo trany so bad it split the case with my huge 22RE.

Jason

I wish i had known you guys existed BEFORE i bought the AA part....

I need to drop my transfer off to replace the rear output seal of the R151 AGAIN- bloody thing is about 3000kms old and leaks. So this time im gluining the adaptor to the transfer and then the adaptor to the gearbox- if the bloody thing leaks it can fill the damn cavity with oil and i'll ignore it from then on!

locktup4x4 wrote:

ferrit wrote:

booflux wrote:

Twistinchassie wrote:ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

Locktup sell an adapter to run the gear drive cases either duals or single with gears behind the R series boxes. I have one coming for mine.

www.locktup4x4.com.au

Just a word of warning with those- If its the Advanced Adaptors one (the same one marks sells) the supplied input seal for the transfer case is a very loose fit, and wil leak. Just glue the bastard in with RTV silicone and it wont leak a drop!

Its not an AA Adaptor. This is a T-G manufactured part.

Are you guys breaking the the G52's while your in 4 low or have the dual cases in "double 4 low"? We aren't breaking them very often, but we generally don't have the big number motors in front of them either. That being said I broke my turbo trany so bad it split the case with my huge 22RE.

Jason

Broke my G52 just on road, never even did a burnout and that was after it was rebuilt
I was going to import the AA adapter but i think i will through the business your way after reading about the seals

ferrit wrote:

locktup4x4 wrote:

ferrit wrote:

booflux wrote:

Twistinchassie wrote:ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

Locktup sell an adapter to run the gear drive cases either duals or single with gears behind the R series boxes. I have one coming for mine.

www.locktup4x4.com.au

Just a word of warning with those- If its the Advanced Adaptors one (the same one marks sells) the supplied input seal for the transfer case is a very loose fit, and wil leak. Just glue the bastard in with RTV silicone and it wont leak a drop!

Its not an AA Adaptor. This is a T-G manufactured part.

Are you guys breaking the the G52's while your in 4 low or have the dual cases in "double 4 low"? We aren't breaking them very often, but we generally don't have the big number motors in front of them either. That being said I broke my turbo trany so bad it split the case with my huge 22RE.

Jason

I wish i had known you guys existed BEFORE i bought the AA part....

I need to drop my transfer off to replace the rear output seal of the R151 AGAIN- bloody thing is about 3000kms old and leaks. So this time im gluining the adaptor to the transfer and then the adaptor to the gearbox- if the bloody thing leaks it can fill the damn cavity with oil and i'll ignore it from then on!

You did Ferrit as I told you not to waste your money on the other. You dont like to listen hence the expensive engine conversion with bugger all power

booflux wrote:

ferrit wrote:

locktup4x4 wrote:

ferrit wrote:

booflux wrote: Locktup sell an adapter to run the gear drive cases either duals or single with gears behind the R series boxes. I have one coming for mine.

www.locktup4x4.com.au

Just a word of warning with those- If its the Advanced Adaptors one (the same one marks sells) the supplied input seal for the transfer case is a very loose fit, and wil leak. Just glue the bastard in with RTV silicone and it wont leak a drop!

Its not an AA Adaptor. This is a T-G manufactured part.

Are you guys breaking the the G52's while your in 4 low or have the dual cases in "double 4 low"? We aren't breaking them very often, but we generally don't have the big number motors in front of them either. That being said I broke my turbo trany so bad it split the case with my huge 22RE.

Jason

I wish i had known you guys existed BEFORE i bought the AA part....

I need to drop my transfer off to replace the rear output seal of the R151 AGAIN- bloody thing is about 3000kms old and leaks. So this time im gluining the adaptor to the transfer and then the adaptor to the gearbox- if the bloody thing leaks it can fill the damn cavity with oil and i'll ignore it from then on!

You did Ferrit as I told you not to waste your money on the other. You dont like to listen hence the expensive engine conversion with bugger all power

160kph in a leaf sprung hilux is MORE than fast enough for me!

expensive, yes, bugger all power? In kw it doesnt stack up to a V8, but the 315+ Nm of torque make up for that, and the economy is so, so worth it- Being able to absolutely THRASH the thing on the dunes and still return around 15L/100 is great. Never had a problem with power on the beach.

Oh, and I dont need an engineers report for my swap- Just the Engine number changed on the rego details

Twistinchassie wrote:ha ha fair enough and $1600 for a rebuild ouch! if i was to go the r151 does any one know it the output shaft of it will fit into my gear driven 21spline tcases? or is it only suit the 23 spline chain driven? after spendin the cash for twin cases i dont want them to go to waste, or have to buy crawler gears for a single case. cheers

The TG adaptors have a 23 spline coupler, so you will then need a 23 spline input shaft into your gear driven case, and it would wise to have a 23 spline input into the rear case as well, as the 21 spline input into the rear case would be the next weakest link.

In saying that I run a 253 into a G52 and 21 spline duals and reduction gears and haven't bust anything yet. (touch wood)....but Jason will tell you I drive like a girl

I run a 308 in my Lux, the G52 survived quite a while behind a warm 253, but when the 308 went in I blew the arse out of 3 boxes in 2 months, all of them on the road (M5) on the way to or from work, and all of them 4th gear, the last blew a hole in the side of the case spewing oil under my rear tyres!

Go the R series box, save yourself some money down the line

3 boxs in 2 months ouch! cheers for the info all, helps doing things once and right then learnin the expensive way.

ferrit wrote: I wish i had known you guys existed BEFORE i bought the AA part....

I need to drop my transfer off to replace the rear output seal of the R151 AGAIN- bloody thing is about 3000kms old and leaks. So this time im gluining the adaptor to the transfer and then the adaptor to the gearbox- if the bloody thing leaks it can fill the damn cavity with oil and i'll ignore it from then on!

I had the same problem with the seal Marks supplied. I bought one that fit from a place in Sydney, can't remember the exact name but it was something like Amando, they are out Granville way. Can't remember the size either, but I just gave them the coupler size and they gave me a seal that worked. I tried to explain the problem to Marks but for some reason they couldn't understand what I was talking about.

yeah- the outer seal is tight no worries- so that size is ok.

I'll take the seal and coupler to CBC and see what they can do