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hey i am thinking bout doing a spoa and have seen a build up thread off one but im not to keen on the steering being connected to the brake caliper is there any other way to mod the steering thanks for any help
tuff zook

Proper highsteer.

think you are looking about 800 to do it.

search btw

Xboggedyplentylots.

On both counts.

Steve.

so there is no other way then a high steer kit??

There are other ways, but some are dodgy, unsafe, unengineerable, or don't fix bumpsteer like a Z link.

Really proper *ahem- snake racing* histeer is the only way to go.

Steve.

Here we go again...
Will 31's fit on my Zook?

haha thats funny want 33's the thing is i already 31's and was looking of fitting more 34's 35's under the zook

34's = SPUA 2" spring, 2" BL, 2" Bumpstop spacer.

35's = SPUA 2" Spring, 2" BL, 2" Bumpstop spacer, Virtual lift.

If you can't afford to do a spoa properly, don't do one.

Big tyres on a sierra do not require a SPOA, but they always require time, money and lots of planning, SPUA or SPOA.

Steve.[/u]

oh ok i didnt know that u could do it spua but doesnt spring over give more flex??

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in short, no. That depends on how long you want your springs to last, where you put your bumpstops and how much tyre you run.

either suspension setup can run as much tyre as a suzuki can handle, and for me, it's all about being as low as possible and running a decent tyre. other terrain in other areas requires a taller car. Where we are, tall cars are really spooky.

do lots of research and drive with people in your area to find out what works where you are before you commit to a build and find out it won't work where you drive.

Remember though, bumpstops are the new flex and low is the new lift

Brian at suzi store has gets them made to order, have been enginere pased not cheap, Alian has got a set on his car, nice set up http://www.suzistore.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=1363

They bolt through the brake caliper bolts aswell as the origonal steering knuckle hole, To get the passed have to be made from one piece of steel and machined to shape.

Do it once, and do it right. Steering is something you shouldnt muck around with!! This is my setup from low range off road, this is for lux diffs though, but im sure his got a setup to suit zook diffs!! Cost me around $500 delivered..

i go wheeling with mostly hilux etc and where i usually go theres mainly rockwalls n deep ruts / wash outs and constantly have wheels of the ground so in my eyes if i had a lil more flex that woundt happen so much i was looking at going to coils but i dont have a spare $4 -$5 g's

little more flex is achievable by doing a RUF (search in the bible section) and using nice long soft leaves. Going coils is not neccesarily a way to get more flex, to achieve a lot of flex out of a SWB Sierra with a coil setup takes alot of work to get it just right.

SPOA if done properly can also result in lots of flex and a well handling vehicle, done incorrectly you end up with a very high vehicle, wth no more flex, scary steering and handling and a nightmare to drive.

You may also want to look at perhaps increasing your track width with different offset rims.

so what would u suggest i would have to do to get the spoa right

tuff_89zook wrote:so what would u suggest i would have to do to get the spoa right

dont do it to start with??

are you planning to try and run 34's on zuk diffs? why not just buy a locker?

my friend runs 34 10.5 x 15 centrepeeds with 65mm EFS ext hangers and 2" body lift, has redrilled the front spring perches and using 2" wheel spacers.
alot cheaper than spoa and alot easier to bring back to standard if needed, it flexes well for a shorty zuk, Hes got lockers front n rear n 6.5 trail gears, almost unstopable. Think his next step is EFI as gets fuel issues on steep climbs

tuff_89zook wrote:so what would u suggest i would have to do to get the spoa right

I'd be doing lockers so you can still drive with a wheel in the air and lower gearing first as these will increase the potential and ability of the Zuk. Then down the track if you are still wanting to mod then go SPOA or whatever. Gears and lockers first I reckon

flex is way over rated!
get gears and lockers then work it out!

cut your guards and firewall and move diff forward to put bigger tyres on.
run longer leaves for more flex!

and read alot! you will work it out!

then when you bust cvs on rocks and ruts running 34"s you will either upgrade axles and cvs big$
then you will want more width because you flopped it a couple of times and put in lux diffs!

just use lux diffs now!


ashley

tuff_89zook wrote: i was looking at going to coils but i dont have a spare $4 -$5 g's

SPOA could cost that much done right...

theres a sierra that has lux diffs under thats been carshed and was thinking bout offering him some cash what are the pro n cons bout doing that convers.

my opion is dont do a spoa at all. i hate them with a passion! u dont need 34"" tyres and your centre of gravity will be too high. it devalues your car & crapier off road. do what the other guy said gears and lockers and ull beat any sierra with a spoa garanteed. put a 2'' sus and body lift and u can fit 32'' tyres.

this is only an opion but its your car so u do what u want.

hilux diffs? what is the purpose of this car? will u use it for normal 4x4ing or will u enter in extreme events?

tuff_89zook wrote:theres a sierra that has lux diffs under thats been carshed and was thinking bout offering him some cash what are the pro n cons bout doing that convers.

What descent mods do you have so far?? 31' tires and.............?? What sort of budget do you have??

Dan

Well this is my 2 cents worth, Both my brother an i have dun spoa.. both are the dogy z link... i didn't want to lengthen my arm, i just lived with the fack i lost a lil lock... brother lengthened his an it bent under the force of 33's and his locker... mine on the other hand has been fine with 33's and locker.. i dont really feel it's to much different to drive on road to the spua it once was. On the tippy scale it's much worse now, but with some thinking u can drive round that.(locker helps once on 3 or 2 wheels).

I have 2"body lift 5-1/4" spoa. sotck leefs and stock shackels.... works very well for how I drive and what I do with it.

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I find it funny that all the americans are fitting 36" splus tyres on SPOA and people here feel the need to do it to fit 33's...

my 2c that i allways get told im wrong about hehehehe


SPOA is really good! i run it on my zook with buggred standard leafs on 1ltr NT diffs and it flexes really well, i have the "nasty z-link" but really its just like driving it when it was standard, SPOA is good! better with WT diffs, have a look at AERENANDMEL zook its a rig!

if your gonna do a lux diff conversion, why not just get a lux? if suzuki wanted hilux diffs they would have brought them out with them!


OOO and SPOA still lifts wheels!! but falls easier!

rustyzook wrote: if your gonna do a SPOA conversion, why not just get a lux? if suzuki wanted the springs over the diffs they would have brought them out with them!

Fixed for you

rustyzook wrote:OOO and SPOA still lifts wheels!! but falls easier!

so then why is it better?

SPUA




1 problem with my setup. Sometimes the shackles can be too low.But i can shorten them.

This pic is the normal ride height on 33"x12.5 28+offset SPUA


This type of thing will make you "thank fark your not SPOA"!!! Because depends if you or not drive hard, you will end up in this position in a suzuki!!



No matter which way your going to have to sort out problems. But im sure spua has less problems and less $$

PS. On this trip she out did a coil bundy on 35's and a pootroll gq 7"Lift 35's, both fully locked. Suzys only rear locked

I think they were stumped on what to say.

a SPOA done well, with all the bug fixed, the correct steering setup etc etc can perform very well . The big problem is most aren't done well and end up being unstable pigs to drive. In Victoria a SPOA probably isn't the best set up for the type of tracks we have. Whereas in NSW on some of there rock tracks a well setup SPOA will work better.

But in the end it is how much time and thought you put in to it determines how successful it is