Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I was sold on the LTB's cause of price, now I'm leaning towards the TSL SX.
From the interco site, only real difference I can tell is slightly more spaced out tread on the SX, and maybe more aggressive side lugs. But the pics are a bit confusing in that regard And from searching on here (yes, I actually did!!) the LTB's are a softer compound. I know I'm prolly really just nit picking and either tire is going to be awesome offroad, but still.

Sizes I'm looking at are,
31 11.5 15 in the LTB
32x11.50-15 in the TSL SX

And can anyone explain what the Skid Depth, and tread Width means exactly on the interco site? I'm guessing depth is in fractions of an inch? And width is in mm between the lugs?

TSL SX - http://www.intercotire.com/tires.php?id=15&g=1
LTB - http://www.intercotire.com/tires.php?id=7&g=1

They will of course be a second, play set with minimal on road use.

RockyF75 wrote:I was sold on the LTB's cause of price, now I'm leaning towards the TSL SX.
From the interco site, only real difference I can tell is slightly more spaced out tread on the SX, and maybe more aggressive side lugs. But the pics are a bit confusing in that regard And from searching on here (yes, I actually did!!) the LTB's are a softer compound. I know I'm prolly really just nit picking and either tire is going to be awesome offroad, but still.

Sizes I'm looking at are,
31 11.5 15 in the LTB
32x11.50-15 in the TSL SX

And can anyone explain what the Skid Depth, and tread Width means exactly on the interco site? I'm guessing depth is in fractions of an inch? And width is in mm between the lugs?

TSL SX - http://www.intercotire.com/tires.php?id=15&g=1
LTB - http://www.intercotire.com/tires.php?id=7&g=1

They will of course be a second, play set with minimal on road use.

the 32 SX may as well be made of wood, the sidewall is simply to short for how thick it is.

The LTB sidewall flex's pretty well even under a light vehicle.

I've seen SX's not bag that well so on a rocky they would be well like rocks
another vote for ltb's .. but i would got 34's

I've never seen SX sidewalls bag on anything. Between these two tyres forget the SX and go with the LTB. But I'd stick with a radial, in my opinion they work better in smaller sizes compared to bias ply.

SX's suck on a light car. I have them on my Gwagen but at 2500kg and 6psi (beadlocked) I don't have too much trouble making them bag. There's no way they'll bag properly ona rocky.

I'd say you need to look at over 31's though. 31 10.5's have a poor width/height ratio and all the grip in the world won't help when you're on your diffs.

I'd look at the taller/narrower options on a lightish car - they're easier to fit too.

I like bias ply tyres offroad - I've run bias ply offroad for about 15 years and I think they work better in the bush than radials IMHO.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:SX's suck on a light car. I have them on my Gwagen but at 2500kg and 6psi (beadlocked) I don't have too much trouble making them bag. There's no way they'll bag properly ona rocky.

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These came off my old Zook, as an example i had at one stage removed the valves and waited until there was NO air left, put the valves in and went wheeling.

Otherwise i would only be running 2-3PSI (not that the tyre gauges are accurate that low anyway.

Yeah I can't really run any bigger than 31/32 due to two things. First of all is guard/spring clearance, although I'd be happy to chop and space for bigger tires

But the bigger issue is gearing. When I had 31" ETs the gearing sucked offroad, but the benefits of tall/wild tires outweighed that. But any bigger and I think it would do more harm than good.

The bagging things turned me off them though now.

I don't see how the sidewall could be any stiffer than the LTB though, on the site it says they both have 4ply

RockyF75 wrote:Yeah I can't really run any bigger than 31/32 due to two things. First of all is guard/spring clearance, although I'd be happy to chop and space for bigger tires

But the bigger issue is gearing. When I had 31" ETs the gearing sucked offroad, but the benefits of tall/wild tires outweighed that. But any bigger and I think it would do more harm than good.

The bagging things turned me off them though now.

I don't see how the sidewall could be any stiffer than the LTB though, on the site it says they both have 4ply

Trust the people that have used em .. Running significantly taller sidewall Jim almost needed an industrial vacum pump to get enough air out of his beadlocked 36's to make em "work".

I remember standing on an unmounted 32 SX, I weigh 95Kgs .. my weight barely moved it .. they may only be 4 ply .. but there is one shitload of rubber in them thar tyres ...

I feel special

I personally would look at running the LTB's or even the tried and true bias TSL. I run the 33/12.5/15 TSL's and at 12 psi on the Patrol they work great. All my mates are impressed with how they are as well. Definetlly dont go the SX's as they are specifically for where the side wall strength is a necessity. I'm half tempted to go the new 35/12.5/15 LTB's on the patrol wagon next

I have the 32x11.5 sx's on my zook. As said, i basically dump all the air out when i wheel. My tyres are pretty well used, so they are not as hard as when i first got them.


Layto...

I trashed a sidewall on an SX on a tree root first time I took them out, they're not indescuctable. I wasn't bagging it up or anything, just going a bit too quick.

The TSL-SX is steel belted. THe LTB is not.
Comparative sizing the case carcass is the same with the TSL-SX then getting additional Steel belting. For higher speed work the TSL-SX is better as it keeps a flatter footprint on the ground which provides better steering response while still having the carcass strength of a Bias tyre. Disadvantage is that a lot of times, lighter vehicles can't get the tyre to 'work'. LTB are better suited to lower speed work. By not having the steel belting the tread face is a lot more malleable.

Both use Nylon cords which can be a little more prone to the Bias tyre wobble first thing in the morning until it heats up. (Reason is that Nylon is a little more susceptible to shrinkage and expansion depending on the temperature range. Polyester is the usual alternative and does not have such a variation as the Nylon.)

Cheers,
Ryano