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GOT A 4 INCH ON A PATROL WAGON WITH 35S. NEED SOME OPIONS ON RADIUS ARMS.
WHAT DO YOUSE RECKON

Big O are good for average joe, if your serious 2dextreme comp spec or superior comp spec.

Do you want them as a form of castor correction, or flex AND castor correction?
If you want extra flex as well, go superior IMO

Very happy with the superior arms!

superior

supeior are the way to go

Firstly run drop box's with your 4" lift. It will save you many headaches. Secondly all the after market arms out there have their own problems, so its upto you which 1 your happy with. BigO - limited travel. 3rd's - rub on the chassi and weakn it. Superior - when bolt is removed it dives down on that side when braking. The list goes on. Find someone who has these arms and will take you for a spin. There is nothing worse than buying something and finding out your not happy with them.

TheBigBoy wrote: Superior - when bolt is removed it dives down on that side when braking.

What bolt, and why would you remove it?

TheBigBoy wrote: 3rd's - rub on the chassi and weakn it. .

i ran 3rds arms for about 4 years, never had a drama with them touching the chassis rail, do you have pics to back up your story, have you run every set of arms your refering too?

Sorry kiwi, i ment the pin.

ozy 1, I was going to buy some but the guys at redlands 4x4 centre talked me out of it. Ill see if i can get some pics of the chassi damage they are talking about.

3rds arms crack the mount out of the chassis.

I have been running 2dextreme arms for about 4 years in 2 different cars, 1 set with slotted gu bushes in a 4" lift gq wagon and the other in a 7" lift gq coilcab with solid bushes. I"m very happy with the handling and they do flex will enough.

I would buy the 2dextreme comp spec or superior comp spec arms if I did it again.

Big O arms are the same design as 2dextreme arms but made from a lowwer grade material, they are fine for normal use but have been known to bend under comp conditions. Good value for a tourer or weekend player.

I have run a wizard 5 link, 4" drop boxes, 7" drop boxes, caster plates, caster bushes and the 2 sets of 6" lift drop arms. I have also done alot of work on others vehicles running similar setups.

I found no handling difference between the drop arms n boxes. I changed to drop arms for extra clearence.

I fail to see any hassels between running drop arms or boxes, please explain?

I know nothing about how these work, but have been told by many people that drop boxes will allow you to climb over obstacles better than drop arms, so if someone can explain why again?
I now run superior drop boxes with the standard flex arm on one side, factory other, only because they weigh so damn much I couldn't bring 2 arms back on the plane!

90% has already been said but this is my spin on it.

Big O arms, great for tourer but look small next to other arms.
BEST FOR TOURER

3rds stuff your chassis as already mentioned.

2D Extreme arms- Strongest arms and flex well enough if you run my slotted bushes.
BEST FOR OUTRIGHT STRENGTH - HIGH SPEED MAD STUFF

Superior Super flex arms. Increased flex and bushes last.
BEST FOR FLEX

Superiors normal dropped radius arms. If you don't want the Superflex arms these would be the best value for money for strong arms. Fitted with after market slotted GU bushes you can have a set delivered for $1000.
BEST IF YOU DON'T WANT SUPERFLEX BUT NEED STRENGTH

Drop Boxes - Pros and Cons. You will get a better ride, better flex, better climbing ability and cheaper but they do hang down more so could get hung up on them.
BEST FOR RIDEABILITY AND BUDGET

The reason why drop boxes climb over obsticles better is because your radius arms travel in an arc. If you arms don't push the vehicle backwards as you are climing something vertical then you have a better chance of climbing it.

Shane

. Sound like me nasty troll. I had soo much trouble when i first did my suspension through lack of knowledge (like most people) because noone tells you the important things. Castor problems (dodgy castor plates/ bush's) tough dog supplying wrong diameter bolts for ajustable panhard rods. Even with castor correction drop arms, it had the shakes and wobbles until I put the drop box's in. Then it all went away. But I have heard of lots of people happy with the castor drop arms. So I think each truck is different.

i have also heard of the 3rds arms cracking the chassis, but have onle read about it a few times and i only know personally of one bloke it has happened to,

i will admit i was running them in a comp truck until recently, i will admit they damaged my chassis ( didnt tear the boss out or anything) but i dont think it had to do with arm design, i ended up pushing both arms backwards hard which casue the mount to become ( shaped, if you get me drift,

I DO A LOT WITHTHE TRUCK. FAST THROUGH BUSH. ROCK CRAWLIN. AND KEEPING UP WITH COMP TRUCKS. (I JUST CANT SAY NAH).
SO 3RDS ARE OUT.
SUPERIOR SUPER FLEX MIGHT BE THE GO.
WERES THE BEST PLACE TO SUS THOSE OUT AROUND CENTRAL COAST OR SYDNEY.
CORRECT CASTOR FOR ON ROAD WITH FLEX SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
THANKS STACKS FOR THE HELP

ozy1 wrote:i have also heard of the 3rds arms cracking the chassis, but have onle read about it a few times and i only know personally of one bloke it has happened to,

i will admit i was running them in a comp truck until recently, i will admit they damaged my chassis ( didnt tear the boss out or anything) but i dont think it had to do with arm design, i ended up pushing both arms backwards hard which casue the mount to become ( shaped, if you get me drift,

A couple of months ago I was up at Superiors picking up some stock and they had a 4WD on the hoist fixing up the damage caused by the 3rd's arms. Apparently 3rd's said it was wear and tear.

Shane

TheBigBoy wrote:. Sound like me nasty troll. I had soo much trouble when i first did my suspension through lack of knowledge (like most people) because noone tells you the important things. Castor problems (dodgy castor plates/ bush's) tough dog supplying wrong diameter bolts for ajustable panhard rods. Even with castor correction drop arms, it had the shakes and wobbles until I put the drop box's in. Then it all went away. But I have heard of lots of people happy with the castor drop arms. So I think each truck is different.

I have had so many different set ups because others we not available at the time.

I built my ute in 2001, there was almost nothing available then and knowlage was limited.

I started with a 6 inch HD dobinson coil so it had to be caster plates.

Then went to 5 link for rock crawling.

Then to drop boxes for faster stuff.

Then the Drop arms for better clearence while maintaing good stability and handling.

The girls car runs 4" and has had caster bushes, drop boxes and now drop arms. It is her daily, tourer and play truck.

The only time I have had shakes was with the standard shims on the kingpin bearing with the petrol. I have never had an issue with any other nissan I have owned or done suspension on.

OZ14WD if you punish your patrol as much as us, go with 2dextreme arms, superior superflex arms may be good but I have not used these yet so cannot recommend them. Everyone with superflex arms so far seem very happy though.

I went to a patrol ute after running a comp 75 series cruiser. Big leafs and reverse shackles, it was so much easier. I went to a patrol for the coils. And i dont compete anymore after rolling her. But Im the same. There was nothing on the market that gave me good road handling "as good as stock".

Ive come up with a few awsome designs and wondered why anyone hasnt done them or thought of them before. This is what ive come up with for my patrol!!

I have a patent pending on it. From all my full size moch up's it has some serious travel!!!

Tell me what you guys think?
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Ah I got it. And yes, I know the angle's dont line up in the pic and its amatuerish drawing. . Hopefully get the first test set in before chrissy. Then i will have pics of the real time flex. Tell me what ya think?

4WD Stuff wrote: 2D Extreme arms- Strongest arms and flex well enough if you run my slotted bushes.
BEST FOR OUTRIGHT STRENGTH - HIGH SPEED MAD STUFF

Superior Super flex arms. Increased flex and bushes last.
BEST FOR FLEX

sorry but how did you come to that conclusion?
the superior ones are also available with bushed eyes to suit boxes, and in steel grades to suit application (bis400 ..... is what our set is out of).


http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic117558.php
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1MadEngineer wrote:

4WD Stuff wrote: 2D Extreme arms- Strongest arms and flex well enough if you run my slotted bushes.
BEST FOR OUTRIGHT STRENGTH - HIGH SPEED MAD STUFF

Superior Super flex arms. Increased flex and bushes last.
BEST FOR FLEX

sorry but how did you come to that conclusion?
the superior ones are also available with bushed eyes to suit boxes, and in steel grades to suit application (bis400 ..... is what our set is out of).


http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic117558.php
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic146037-0-asc-0.php

When will the comp spec arms be available? There is still no listing on Micks site.

nastytroll wrote:

1MadEngineer wrote:

4WD Stuff wrote: 2D Extreme arms- Strongest arms and flex well enough if you run my slotted bushes.
BEST FOR OUTRIGHT STRENGTH - HIGH SPEED MAD STUFF

Superior Super flex arms. Increased flex and bushes last.
BEST FOR FLEX

sorry but how did you come to that conclusion?
the superior ones are also available with bushed eyes to suit boxes, and in steel grades to suit application (bis400 ..... is what our set is out of).


http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic117558.php
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic146037-0-asc-0.php

When will the comp spec arms be available? There is still no listing on Micks site.

i made some DXF drawing files for him a while back now, so they might be getting done in the next batch (i think he might have done some 1 offs but not sure). Last time i spoke to him, he was completely redoing and updating his site, so i spose a call to him might get him into gear !

i spoke to him last week and he didnt seem THAT interested in doing them.

IVE NEVER HEARD OF 2DEXTREME BEFORE. WERE DO YOU GET THOSE.
CHEERS EVERYONE

We sell their Toyota arms. We could sell their Nissan ones but we normally use Superiors arms.

2DExtreme is another good place to get them from

Shane

OZ14WD wrote:IVE NEVER HEARD OF 2DEXTREME BEFORE. WERE DO YOU GET THOSE.
CHEERS EVERYONE

0407837074 Dale at 2dextreme, or http://www.2dextremefabrications.com.au/ or pm him here 2dextreme is his user name.

TheBigBoy wrote:





Ah I got it. And yes, I know the angle's dont line up in the pic and its amatuerish drawing. . Hopefully get the first test set in before chrissy. Then i will have pics of the real time flex. Tell me what ya think?

If you have a radius arm at the bottom and another arm at the top of the diff, it will not have any up or down movement. It will just all bind up.

qwikcorty wrote:

TheBigBoy wrote:





Ah I got it. And yes, I know the angle's dont line up in the pic and its amatuerish drawing. . Hopefully get the first test set in before chrissy. Then i will have pics of the real time flex. Tell me what ya think?

If you have a radius arm at the bottom and another arm at the top of the diff, it will not have any up or down movement. It will just all bind up.

Can you show us some pics of this setup in action and close up please????

Dave