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Hi Guys,

I am making some wheel winches for my GU using 15" steel commodore rims and some laser cut 10mm plate. I am using a hex shape as i couldn't find any 200mm OD steel tube, without buying a 6.5metre length, so 5mm flat will be welded together.

I really like wheel winches, as you can winch fast, and never worry about drawing 400 odd amps out of your battery, and motors getting hot.


Has anyone else made there own spools for wheel winches.?

Post pics if you have





For those that dont know about the Bush winch read
http://www.bushwinch.com.au/pdf/4WD.pdf

The wheel nuts were purchased from bush winch.
www.bushwinch.com.au

















Here is the Bush winch



















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Also watch these two videos on youtube
first one is for ATVs and they work well.



http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=135zkGk2f ... re=related

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JY4cKc4FKSM






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Good on you for making your own dude. This thread seems to sum up the inherent problems with these things though.
http://outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic110426. ... light=bush

Still, good to see you building what you want.

I thought that GU studs didnt have a history for being the strongest critters on earth, wouldnt the extra strain of 3ton on 1 wheel possibly be an issue?

I believe the problem was with the alloy wheels and the nuts work loose, then they break. Not a pure strength problem.

Also what about the patrol driving on 2 wheels on youtube.



And the Bush winch manufacturers state they have never seen a broken wheel stud as the rope breaks first at 3200kg each.



I reckon give these ago and criticise when and if anyone experiences a broken wheel nut.



Also check these out. It's been done before.

What did you think about the ATV wheel winches on youtube.?







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every time i get bogged it is because all my wheels look like this.

wouldent be much fun putting a wheel winch together.

Yep that would be slightly painfall.



But to be honest. You were well and truly bogged before you dug yourself down that deep.

You would / should have installed wheel winches as soon as you realised you were stuck before you kept turning the wheels.



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sheps wrote:every time i get bogged it is because all my wheels look like this.
wouldent be much fun putting a wheel winch together.

Dont you take the mrs on trips?

Isn't this a capstan winch? And wasn't it originally used by Landrover Series/Defenders?

looks like alot of dicking around to fit up once you bogged, but whatever it takes to get you out i suppose.

how do you get around cross axleing with open centre diffs if you are only able to winch off one wheel?

I still think they have very limited use.

What happens if you are in ruts?

What happens if you are in mud because unlike what you said sometimes you suddenly end up like that?

What happens when you have no drive or power?

What happens if you have rolled your vehicle and need to right itby use of a winch?

As mentioned a heck of a lot of mucking around to get them on in any sort of condition other than almost flat terrain.

TheOtherLeft wrote:Isn't this a capstan winch? And wasn't it originally used by Landrover Series/Defenders?

no.

the capstan winches used on landrovers from the first ones are a vertical bolard. they are driven of the front of the engine via dogs locking off the cranshaft. then to a gearbox which provides reduction and shaft angle change. all you do is use some 25mm hemp rope and rap around 2 full turns.

landrover also offered a rear capstan that bolted to the rear cross member and ran of the pto... the front capstans were even available for the early range rovers....

also you could still crank start the engine with a shortend crank that drove the capstan, thus turning the engine over.....

Serg

grimbo wrote: What happens if you are in ruts?

What happens when you have no drive or power?

What happens if you have rolled your vehicle and need to right itby use of a winch?

If you are in ruts. 5mins work on shovel.

If you have no drive or power OR you have rolled it.

YOU ARE PROBABLY FU**ED IN ANY CASE.

If you have no drive, what are you going to do. Push it home.

If you have rolled it, i bet someone else with a 4by will need to tow you home anyway.


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Stoive wrote: how do you get around cross axleing with open centre diffs if you are only able to winch off one wheel?

The idea is to use two wheels in most cases.

If you are only lightly stuck. (not deep mud etc) and you have lockers you could fit to one wheel only, like the youtube video on ATV wheel winches.



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raptorthumper wrote:Yep that would be slightly painfall.



But to be honest. You were well and truly bogged before you dug yourself down that deep.

You would / should have installed wheel winches as soon as you realised you were stuck before you kept turning the wheels.



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its a sierra mate and therefore was still moving until the chassis touched the sand.

give my a highmount winch any day

wouldnt u rather just spend a bit of money and even buy a elcheapo winch, this just looks like a massive fark around, and as it has been said, everytime i have been bogged the wheels have been covered

I'm not saying electric winches are bad in anyway. Just that i would rather use wheel winches for any long steep hill or anywhere where you have to pull for long sections. Give me a cheap homemade wheel winch over a hand winch a 100 times over.

How bloody slow are electric winches. Painfully slow. And how much current do they suck. 2metres/min unless you have a high powered high mount.

For a winch mounted on the front, going forwards sometimes only gets you deeper in the shit, where backwards is the way home.

Yep a winch in a portable cradle can winch any direction and is prefferable in my opinion.


I'm not trying to convert anyone. Each to their own. And yes i would love a high mount winch mounted to a tube bar. (I would throw the wheel winches in the back just in case)


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sheps wrote: its a sierra mate and therefore was still moving until the chassis touched the sand.

You must be an optimist like my old man sheps.

these look like a waste of time to me if your worried about current draw why not go for a pto/hydraulic .

raptorthumper wrote:

sheps wrote: its a sierra mate and therefore was still moving until the chassis touched the sand.

You must be an optimist like my old man sheps.

it was moving down but was still moving just the same.

raptorthumper wrote:

grimbo wrote: What happens if you are in ruts?

What happens when you have no drive or power?

What happens if you have rolled your vehicle and need to right itby use of a winch?

If you are in ruts. 5mins work on shovel.

If you have no drive or power OR you have rolled it.

YOU ARE PROBABLY FU**ED IN ANY CASE.

If you have no drive, what are you going to do. Push it home.

If you have rolled it, i bet someone else with a 4by will need to tow you home anyway.


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not the kind of ruts you find in most places that you will get stuck in.

Also if you have to do a massive long winch up a hill maybe the best option is to go another way rather than winching it in the first place.

So if you had tipped your vehicle on its side you think you will need to be towed home? Not always in fact hardly ever. But you will usually need a winch to right yourself and they wont come in handy.

What type of wheeling /terrain do you drive?

Wombat state forest near Melbourne. Bush tracks mainly, with steep rocky hills in sections. The rocky hills in certain spots can't be driven without a winch, or at least dual lockers and 35" tyres, depending if wet or not. If it's wet these tracks are impassable without winching.

Some of the difficult tracks i'm talking about have been declared for management vehicles only these days and fitted with gates, but years ago we had fee reign on them.

Also Parks VIC pretty much close every decent track in the wombat state forest during winter. Tracks dont open again till 1st of November.
They have to justify their own existence.!



Also Portland sand dunes, at discovery bay coastal park.
Love that joint.




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good if you need to winch in a straight line, but what happens when you cant hook onto a tree infront of you?'

there was a thread on EO yrs back, the bloke from bush winch went and did a demo at a club, and it wasnt all rosey... infact, people were leaving apparently before he finished and he didnt sell any!

but if it makes ya happy


PS, I agree with grimbo on the ruts, some of the ones I've been stuck in, dynamite would struggle to break it up...

go bog yourself in a few good gembrook ruts and try and fit a wheel winch inside five minutes id like to see that.
i'd have used my electric ebay winch and be gone by the time you found your shovel, id have finished a slab by the time you'd dug enough rut away the fit your wheel winches.

might be good in the dunes though

Allright everyone hates them.

I will shut up now.

raptorthumper wrote:Allright everyone hates them.

I will shut up now.

hey you have made up the mounts, and gear so far, dont give up at this point - I'd say give up before starting.. But since your 90% of the way there, give it a go..
Wanna buy a good 4.5 auto??

bogged wrote: Wanna buy a good 4.5 auto??

Why?, Who?, How Much?. Or are you taking the piss in some way.?

u must know then that if you want to use this winch, you need to have lockers aswell...

wont work otherwise...