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Hi all

I am after a winch that I can install in my ARB winch bar, but am finding it hard to find one that is powerfull enough to pull me out of a bog and fit inside the bar.
below is a few from ebay but all r to tall and fat to be installed

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... :IT&ih=016
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... :IT&ih=026

Whats a good LBS rated winch for a Sierra stuck in a bog?

thanks ahead

Ive got an old Tomas 8500lbs i think. Could be more but 9500lbs would be plenty. Main thing to consider is the power supply. My battery is way to small, about 360cca (cold cranking amps) should really be 600-700cca. But as long as the motor is running at about 2000rpm it works fine. I'm just amazed the battery hasn't carked it.
You won't get a high mount in without some serious body mods and stuff, but keep looking, a good second hand winch can be found. Mine is slow but only cost me $280.

6000lb low mount is probably Warn's best low mount winch - (have a look at the specs - they have the best speed/load ratio of any of their low mounts) and it's plenty of winch for a sierra.

Steve.

i have a t-max 6500. but as it has been siting on the floor
of the shed for 6months. i dunno how good/crappy it is.
fits the bar though.

I have a magnum/tabor 9000lb in my sierra arb bar with a upgraded 4.6hp warn motor. Fits nicely in the bar. In the arb bars, you should be able to fit anything from a warn 3500lb atv winch (might have to drill new mounting holes) up to a xd9000 without any mods.

sheps wrote:i have a t-max 6500. but as it has been siting on the floor
of the shed for 6months. i dunno how good/crappy it is.
fits the bar though.

I have the same whinch and have used it in anger a fair bit now and it's awsome, single line pulls up some steeeeep stuff the hole cable without a sweat. They are nice and compact too. They also have a more powerful motor and stronger gears than a Warn 6000 pounder too apparently, for half the price.

I recon 6000lbs is about the perfect size ror a zook
not too big but more than enough power to remove you from anything.

Gwagensteve wrote:6000lb low mount is probably Warn's best low mount winch - (have a look at the specs - they have the best speed/load ratio of any of their low mounts) and it's plenty of winch for a sierra.

Steve.

I second the 6000, really quick, fits the arb bar (without any pop rivets ), and plenty big for a zook, (remember 12000 pounds double line pull) I have a hi mount (cos I have always wanted one) and it is way heavy and intrusive compared to a 6000.
Peter.

M6000
12V DC PERFORMANCE SPECS
Line Pull
Lbs.(Kgs.) Line Speed
FT./min(M/min.)
0 48.5(14.8) 85 amps
2000(910) 23.7(7.22) 175 amps 2/5460(2477)
4000(1810) 12.9(3.93) 360 amps 3/5000(2268)
6000(2720) 10.0(3.05) 465 amps 4/4670(2118)

8000 hi mount
12V DC PERFORMANCE SPECS
Line Pull
Lbs.(Kgs.) Line Speed
FT./min(M/min.)
0 73.4(22.4) 55 amps
2000(910) 22(6.71) 190 amps 2/7460(3384)
4000(1810) 12(3.66) 275 amps 3/6980(3166)
6000(2720) 9.50(2.90) 350 amps 4/6620(3003)
8000(3630) 6.10(1.86) 450 amps 5/6290(2853)

Now compare the speeds between the 8274 and the 6000 at 2000lb and 4000lb, where most sierra winching is carried out - the 6000 is practially the same speed.

I'm building a sierra with a hotrodded 8274, but man they are a PITA to fit.

Steve.

Big time pain in the arse, choppy chop chop chop
Peter.

Or pull car apart, dream up ultimate location for winch, spend next six months fabricating to get it to work in the desired spot.

Like Greg says, never ignore the opportunity to turn a 1 hour job into a 2 year build.

8000 high mounts are a total PITA to work with. If they didn't make the cool "click click click" sound when you're winching you'd never use one

apologies to the owner of the said car in photo.. I'm sure it won't be a 2 year build


Steve.

Steve, Steve, Steve, you have stopped taking your meds again haven't you? (and I see you are still knocking off the orange crates from behind the chicken shop )

droopypete wrote:(and I see you are still knocking off the orange crates from behind the chicken shop )

and here i was thinking that they were prawn crates

If you must know, they were lingerie crates.

I have quite a collection.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:If you must know, they were lingerie crates.

I have quite a collection.

Steve.

Sorry Steve but white bonds Y fronts do not count as lingerie

Been waiting to see a pic of cj's ute. Far out you guys have way too much time on your hands...That's a hell of a lot of work in that chassis. How's your holesaw fairing Steve?

You going to go pneumatic freespool? Hopefully no one is going to have to crawl under the tray everytime to disconnect it.

Looks good though.

droopypete wrote:Big time pain in the arse, choppy chop chop chop
Peter.

how the cooling on your zook? does any air get around that thing?

Gwagensteve wrote:

Or pull car apart, dream up ultimate location for winch, spend next six months fabricating to get it to work in the desired spot.

Like Greg says, never ignore the opportunity to turn a 1 hour job into a 2 year build.

8000 high mounts are a total PITA to work with. If they didn't make the cool "click click click" sound when you're winching you'd never use one

apologies to the owner of the said car in photo.. I'm sure it won't be a 2 year build


Steve.

I would like to do this to my ute ,or if i could get a PTO sierra case and move the radiator to the back

dank wrote:Been waiting to see a pic of cj's ute. Far out you guys have way too much time on your hands...That's a hell of a lot of work in that chassis. How's your holesaw fairing Steve?

You going to go pneumatic freespool? Hopefully no one is going to have to crawl under the tray everytime to disconnect it.

Looks good though.

Don't want to turn it into a thread about *someones* ute but no, freespool is handled by a lever to the rear of the tray. Very easy to get to. There's a pulley whuch mounts (no tools) over the hawse on the rear crossmember to swap between rear winching and front winching.

This wasn't the 1/2 of the work in the chassis - this is pre shock mounts, chassis extension, power steer, spare tyre carrier, rear bar, rollcage mounts exhaust mounts, bumpstops, centre tray mounts.....

Anyway, the point is, a 6000lb low mount will do 90% of what a 8000 high will do (including the speed) without the hassle.... and is the winch ARB designed the bar around.

Ironically, this car will have an ARB bar on it that still needs modificatoins to fit the offset hawse to allow the cable out the front.

8000 high mount - $2700
650 hours of labour - $45000
Not having to back back down a track to pull a car up to where you drive to - priceless.... hopefully

Steve.

ofr57 wrote:

droopypete wrote:Big time pain in the arse, choppy chop chop chop
Peter.

how the cooling on your zook? does any air get around that thing?

That photo was when it was first done, it's been on for a few years now and I have never had an issue, mud in the radiator during winter can be a bigger problem, summer temps in Melb have been quite mild this year but all the +40 day we had last year didn't bother it at all.
I have always been puzzled by people fitting thermo fans, Toyota radiators and other things to fix an over heating problem in a sierra, when the stock system (in good order) does the job exceptionally well, if I was towing a trailer through Darwin it may be different (maybe not).
Peter.
Peter.

droopypete wrote:

ofr57 wrote:

droopypete wrote:Big time pain in the arse, choppy chop chop chop
Peter.

how the cooling on your zook? does any air get around that thing?

That photo was when it was first done, it's been on for a few years now and I have never had an issue, mud in the radiator during winter can be a bigger problem, summer temps in Melb have been quite mild this year but all the +40 day we had last year didn't bother it at all.
I have always been puzzled by people fitting thermo fans, Toyota radiators and other things to fix an over heating problem in a sierra, when the stock system (in good order) does the job exceptionally well, if I was towing a trailer through Darwin it may be different (maybe not).
Peter.
Peter.

Man that winch and brackets looks like it weighs more than a zook 1.3
probably makes more horse power too

Most of the winching I do is pulling other cars out. Which means tying the other end of the zook to a tree. Which is how I got a long wheel base.

droopypete wrote:

ofr57 wrote:

droopypete wrote:Big time pain in the arse, choppy chop chop chop
Peter.



how the cooling on your zook? does any air get around that thing?

That photo was when it was first done, it's been on for a few years now and I have never had an issue, mud in the radiator during winter can be a bigger problem, summer temps in Melb have been quite mild this year but all the +40 day we had last year didn't bother it at all.
I have always been puzzled by people fitting thermo fans, Toyota radiators and other things to fix an over heating problem in a sierra, when the stock system (in good order) does the job exceptionally well, if I was towing a trailer through Darwin it may be different (maybe not).
Peter.
Peter.

x2 i tow a boat trailer all around the N.T. and the only times i get hot
is when i am in low 1st for extended periods ie more then half an hour.
stockers g13a with standard cooling system and aircon that is never turned off.

Zute wrote:Most of the winching I do is pulling other cars out. Which means tying the other end of the zook to a tree. Which is how I got a long wheel base.

if you have a bullbar you are best putting it against the tree rather then stretching your zook.

Gwagensteve wrote:6000lb low mount is probably Warn's best low mount winch - (have a look at the specs - they have the best speed/load ratio of any of their low mounts) and it's plenty of winch for a sierra.

Steve.

couldnt agree more!!!

Just remember you will be pulling nearly 3 tonne of Cruiser or Patrol
Zooks don't get stuck

I made this bar up but i don't imagine it would be 2 hard to put any of the low mount warns in an arb bar.

this is a 9000lb. to small for my patrol but we'll see bout my ooksi.

Without 2inch body lift it wouldn't have fit. think i fluked it everything bolted up first time.

See now you know why every one invites you to go 4x4 with them, We will never get stuck with you around, and sadly i think youve got more HP in your winch than my poor stock Zuk

I've got a 9000pd Warn slowmount and Titan solenoid to go on my LWB. Prolly way to big but meh, it's sitting on my shelf taking up real estate so it's going on.


If I can work out how to mid mount it then I will but I'm way to lazy to do anything near what Steve posted. It'll likely just go on the front.

Hi guys... i've just had a good read of this thread and have some questions... I'm in the same dilema.. i have an ARB winch bar on my sierra and was wondering which winch i should go for. I emailed ARB last year and they basically said that the ARB winch bar was designed around the Warn 6000 Ib winch, but the warn 8000 Ib will also fit. I asked if the 9000 Ib would fit and they said no, "it's to long" was their reply. I checked the ARB catalogue and the the Warn 6000 Ib winch is 540mm long and the 9000 Ib is 530mm long.

My dilema is i don't want a Warn winch... i think the price is to expensive. I'm seriously considering either the TMax 6500 Ib or the Premier 6000 Ib winch. I know a few of you guys have had good results with the TMax, but what about the Premier? I can't find info on the Premier... All i know is that the Premier is marginally more expensive (aboout $180-$200), is less powerfull, doesn't have a wireless controller... blah blah... The reason why I am considering the Premier winch is because its BIG brother, the 9000 Ib model took out the No. 1 position in the 4WD Action winch test a couple of months ago... My local TJM man informs me, that the 9000 and the 6000 Premier are the same winch, the 6000 is obviously smaller, but they are essentially the same design. Can anybody confirm this for me?

Thanks in advance guys...