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i current run 315/75/16 BFG muddies but after just completing 2500k touring around SA & VIC on sealed highway roads towing a caravan i have decided that i need to change to a more suitable tire. I was thinking of keeping the muddies as a second set but would prefer just one set as the extra money to buy new rims & tires is a lot. Most of my driving is on road but when off road i usually dont hold back and will end up in mud, over rocks, sand and all types of terrain. I was thinking of maybe a micky thompson Dick Cepek Radial F-C with looks like a good all terrain tire. Coopers i am not sure on due to so many mixed opinions, BFG all terrains i have had before so i would like to try something else. Any advice would be great. I have a 100 series live axle with 3" lift which has plenty of gear on it and prob weighs around 3 tonne. That caravan i tow is around 1500k.

Also, if anyone is interested in the 35" BFG muddies, i currently have 5, 4 are about 60% used, 1 is brand new.

dazlin wrote:I was thinking of maybe a micky thompson Dick Cepek Radial F-C with looks like a good all terrain tire. .

if you do a lot of klms they are good..
if you do a lot of gluggy type mud (eg toolangi)they are not so good..

I'm interested to see what people have to say about this.
I've just worn out a set of BFG AT's and I can't find anything else that looks quite as appetising to replace them with.

Try something different, I have run BFG ATs and Cooper STs and didn't rate them on road or offroad. If I was looking for a new AT I would try the Dick Cepek FC-II or Mickey Thompson ATZ.

i am currently running maxis all terains very happy on all surfaces
untill you hit the slimey clay mud then only a dedicated muddy will suffice
done 55000km and only half worn they are on a 100ser live axle towing a heavy camper about 1400kg brillant on road great on dirt and gravel
very good on dry rocks and brilliant in the sand

v8zuki wrote:i am currently running maxis all terains very happy on all surfaces
untill you hit the slimey clay mud then only a dedicated muddy will suffice
done 55000km and only half worn they are on a 100ser live axle towing a heavy camper about 1400kg brillant on road great on dirt and gravel
very good on dry rocks and brilliant in the sand

Which model and what size?
I can only see HT, MT and MA tyres on their website.
http://www.maxxis.com/AutomobileLight-T ... k-SUV.aspx

My requirements are:
Quiet (I hate road noise).
Puncture resistance (nothing got through my BFG's).
Tread life (85'000km from the BFG's, centres still have 3-4mm but bent axle took the corners down).
Availability (Dick Cepek and Mickey Thompson are out for this reason).
Size range (stock 225/75R16).
Price.

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Also badly want square edges on the tyres. I have a set of michelins on the back right now, I tried them on the front and the rounded shoulders made them follow shallow ruts. The BFG's even almost worn out track straight through the same road.
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I have Maxxis 751 AT's on mine, 225x75x16 ($195ea)
Have not had them very long but they are quiet and good in the wet and on sand.
Always had muddies before.

I've found the BFG muddies outperform a lot of A/T's (and H/T's too) on the bitumen. Why not go with them again?

the BFG muddies i am currently running still have 13mm of tread, i only want to change to make it drive better on road while towing. If i can find an an aggressive all terrain than i will prob change. Its just hard to choose the right tire.

KiwiBacon wrote:My requirements are:
Quiet (I hate road noise).
Puncture resistance (nothing got through my BFG's).
Tread life (85'000km from the BFG's, centres still have 3-4mm but bent axle took the corners down).
Availability (Dick Cepek and Mickey Thompson are out for this reason).
Size range (stock 225/75R16).
Price.

then go with the BFG's again if they met all your requirements.

I'd never, ever be bothered swapping from a Mud Terrain to an All Terrain. There's not enough difference in performance on road or off road to justify the swap.

sorry, I have nothing else useful to add to this thread.

PS I consider a swamper an all terrain tyre. (honestly)

Steve.

bogged wrote:then go with the BFG's again if they met all your requirements.

Just checking I'm not missing out on anything.

Gwagensteve wrote:PS I consider a swamper an all terrain tyre. (honestly)

I remember BB calling Boggers the best AT he ever used...

AJFeroza wrote:I've found the BFG muddies outperform a lot of A/T's (and H/T's too) on the bitumen. Why not go with them again?

Exactly. I'd rather drive on a set of BFG MT's on a wet road then a set of BFG AT's

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

AJFeroza wrote:I've found the BFG muddies outperform a lot of A/T's (and H/T's too) on the bitumen. Why not go with them again?

Exactly. I'd rather drive on a set of BFG MT's on a wet road then a set of BFG AT's

Haha, I remember how bad they were on your Feroza Troy.

BFG AT are crap in the wet, does anyone know much about micky thompson Baja ATZ Radial SLT, Dick Cepek Radial F-C-II or General Grabber AT2. I will only change tires if i can find something good enough to improve the drive ability on road including highways but still something thats good in off road conditions. The BFG muddies are crappy on highways at 100k plus, they cause the car to drift too much. Plus i wouldn't mind going to smaller tires to get back some power for towing.

I know this may sound a bit weird, but check out the MTR. IMHO it is a brilliant touring tyre. More noise than an AT (prob same as a Cooper ST) but less than a MT, smooth rolling, Silica compound (soft/durable), rock solid carcass, available, has traction on and off road. These have been my DD/touring for 4-5 years and still have good life in them - only rotating 4 tyres too. In my case 285/75-16 and the truck weighs about 2.4T empty. I do use other tyres for pounding in the bush.

Slunnie wrote:I know this may sound a bit weird, but check out the MTR. IMHO it is a brilliant touring tyre. More noise than an AT (prob same as a Cooper ST) but less than a MT, smooth rolling, Silica compound (soft/durable), rock solid carcass, available, has traction on and off road. These have been my DD/touring for 4-5 years and still have good life in them - only rotating 4 tyres too. In my case 285/75-16 and the truck weighs about 2.4T empty. I do use other tyres for pounding in the bush.

agree, on my 3rd set.

I have the Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 rib in 285/75/16 on my GU. Haven't tried them in mud yet. In the sand, set them at 14psi and it gets up some soft dunes pretty well. I reckon they are excellent in the rocks, seem to not spin much at all. Much quieter than my previous BFG muds on road. Done about 6000km and they are wearing well and even. Still have a soft spot for the BFGs though...

KiwiBacon wrote:85'000km from the BFG's, centres still have 3-4mm but bent axle took the corners down

3-4mm left? Did you take them offroad in that condition? Surely they can't have very much grip offroad, let alone wet roads. Sounds like they're well past their use-by date for 4x4 use. I change my tyres at around the half tread mark because I reckon they aren't much chop after that offroad. And someone will still pay me for them when its time to change.

i rate the cooper STT as an all terrain tyre... goes great on road and on mud/rock/sand performs really well.

i personaly like Mickey T Baja Claws as a good allrounder. yes they are abit louder than some A/Ts, but they are alot better onroad than people give them credit for. if i was to have just one set, id have claws.


but i have 3 sets, and the Simex A/Ts stay one most of the time as they are closer to a H/T and its mainly a tarmac rig

macca81 wrote:i personaly like Mickey T Baja Claws as a good allrounder. yes they are abit louder than some A/Ts,

a bit louder??

nabstud wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:85'000km from the BFG's, centres still have 3-4mm but bent axle took the corners down

3-4mm left? Did you take them offroad in that condition? Surely they can't have very much grip offroad, let alone wet roads. Sounds like they're well past their use-by date for 4x4 use. I change my tyres at around the half tread mark because I reckon they aren't much chop after that offroad. And someone will still pay me for them when its time to change.

My vehicle gets mainly used for touring, they're still better on gravel and sand in that state of wear than the almost new michelins on the back are. That's the benefit of square shoulders on the BFG's, the michelins on gravel felt like a kayak on snow (slide just as well sideways as forwards).

But no, I wouldn't take them anywhere slippery in their current state, I do have a seperate set of mud wheels/tyres but they don't get used much.

As for wet traction, I've only twice run out of traction on them on wet roads. Both times I was "testing" to see how much grip I had. Once cornering, the other with my new brakes.
I know they're not fantastic as far as wet grip goes, but they can generate more G force than the occupants can handle.

Any opinions on Bridgestone D694?

KiwiBacon wrote:Any opinions on Bridgestone D694?

Only worth going for the LT version. Which is built heavier & tougher than most muddies I should mention.

grazza wrote:I have Maxxis 751 AT's on mine, 225x75x16 ($195ea)
Have not had them very long but they are quiet and good in the wet and on sand.
Always had muddies before.

I run these on all my work utes both 2wd and 4wd.
they are a great handling and very quiet all terrain tyre ,wear is good we are getting around 60 - 80,000 km on loaded utes and we don't run them real low tread wise.

I wouldn't say they are great in the slop there are definatly better AT's for that but if you do big kms and mostly on road (most of us) you couldn't go wrong with these and the price is good too
cheers andrew

Slunnie wrote:I know this may sound a bit weird, but check out the MTR. IMHO it is a brilliant touring tyre. More noise than an AT (prob same as a Cooper ST) but less than a MT, smooth rolling, Silica compound (soft/durable), rock solid carcass, available, has traction on and off road. These have been my DD/touring for 4-5 years and still have good life in them - only rotating 4 tyres too. In my case 285/75-16 and the truck weighs about 2.4T empty. I do use other tyres for pounding in the bush.

I agree too. I have been running a set for about 3-4 years and find them excellent. Doesn't pick up rocks on gravel roads or nails on the hwy anywhere near as much as my BFG AT's and they're a darn sight safer in wet weather too. Only drawbacks are that they are woeful in mud and you need to lower the pressure much more on sand due to the tough as sidewall not wanting to bag as easily.

I've never failed to be impressed with what I've seen cars on MTR's do.
I'd never hesitate to recommend them. Of course they're not anywhere near trendy enough now though.

Baja Claws are noisier on road than swampers, but at least swampers are decent offroad.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote: Of course they're not anywhere near trendy enough now though. .

and that is the all important

IF you want to save a bit of dosh perhaps find out if one of your tyre dealers has a contract to purchase brand new tyres from the new car dealers who deal with fourbies. There are a few people who will haggle to have better tyres fitted to their new fourbies as part of the deal. The car dealers sell them to the tyre dealers who then on sell them.

You never know, you may get a good set of A/T tyres for a very good price if brand and reputation aren't too important.

I purchased 5 new GU wheels and factory tyres ( Bridgestone H/T ) for $280 all up. But that deal will never, ever, x boggedonagooddaygodblesshis heartteen be repeated.