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Hi

Looking at a GQ wagon with a auto box.
Never owner a 4by with an auto and never thought i would!
How do they cope pushing big tyres (35-36) ie overheating/ dieing?
How bad are they really at descending?

What are their pros and cons against the trusty manual box

Any opinions would be great.

Cheers

Grant.

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Love em.. plenty of others love em, there will be the usual bullshit bitch fighting in this thread by the 10yr olds loving manuals and autos are shit..

Diesel or petty?

bogged wrote:search noob

Love em.. plenty of others love em, there will be the usual bullshit bitch fighting in this thread by the 10yr olds loving manuals and autos are shit..

Diesel or petty?

thanks Bogged "what took you so long" i have been waiting for your reply all morning.
i new you had a auto in your GQ.
i am looking at a GQ with a 5.0 petrol Efi (Holden) and a Auto box, old fella who tows a tinny to the murray owns it and it is mint.

Grant

Hey Grant,

I really like mine, but found more torque would make it much better, About to start fixing that problem though!

skip-unstuck wrote:Hey Grant,

I really like mine, but found more torque would make it much better, About to start fixing that problem though!

I was reading a post from the original owner of your truck and he said he was fitting a Lock up switch. Did he do this and how does it work on descending?
How are you fixing your touque probs

He started to fit it and never finished wiring it up, I havent bothered to follow it up but it does run away down steep hills,
My first is your second maybe third,
Was going to put transfer gears in but will wait untill I either go with a big turboed diesel or 6ltr Petty, think the 6ltr might win the debate.

bogged wrote:search noob

Love em.. plenty of others love em, there will be the usual bullshit bitch fighting in this thread by the 10yr olds loving manuals and autos are shit..

Diesel or petty?

Thought you were going back to Manual????

I loved the Auto behind chev in my Rangie. If the Auto is a chev one it would be good, if Nissan will need some expert attention to survive what you will do to it.

LOCKEE wrote:Thought you were going back to Manual????.

not thru choice.. :(

LOCKEE wrote:

bogged wrote:search noob

Love em.. plenty of others love em, there will be the usual bullshit bitch fighting in this thread by the 10yr olds loving manuals and autos are shit..

Diesel or petty?

Thought you were going back to Manual????

I loved the Auto behind chev in my Rangie. If the Auto is a chev one it would be good, if Nissan will need some expert attention to survive what you will do to it.

Will it need some beefing up? are they options available to make thm stronger? i no nothing about autos!!!!!

GUEEY wrote:

LOCKEE wrote:

bogged wrote:search noob

Love em.. plenty of others love em, there will be the usual bullshit bitch fighting in this thread by the 10yr olds loving manuals and autos are shit..

Diesel or petty?

Thought you were going back to Manual????

I loved the Auto behind chev in my Rangie. If the Auto is a chev one it would be good, if Nissan will need some expert attention to survive what you will do to it.

Will it need some beefing up? are they options available to make thm stronger? i no nothing about autos!!!!!

Speak to Rodney at Wholesale Automatics in Bayswater about options, good website also on them. I have never dealt with him but know plenty who have.

Flame Suit on, Kewish in Dandenong have done my Autos in the past and also many other people I know. Few members here are not happy with them but I have never had trouble with them.

The Homework I have done there supposed to be quite strong and be able to take the 5ltr,
The hardest thing is wiring them up to mate with other ECU's,

But if the one your looking at is all done you dont have to worry about that.
There is options such as Lock up convertor and valve body upgrade, The one main killer is heat, so a oil cooler is std.

LOCKEE wrote:Speak to Rodney at Wholesale Automatics in Bayswater about options, good website also on them. I have never dealt with him but know plenty who have..

without doubt.. I wish I could go back in time and get mine done there. I'd be keeping it an auto, and wouldnt have the feeling it was going to blow up each time I move it.

Flame Suit on, Kewish in Dandenong have done my Autos in the past and also many other people I know. Few members here are not happy with them but I have never had trouble with them.

provided you dont mind 7mths to do a 4-6week quoted job, and still never finished it..
and that aint the worst of it... the whole deal reminds me of the 3 bears..

skip-unstuck wrote:......The one main killer is heat, so a oil cooler is std.

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if you get it, drop the oil and the pan straight out and clean it up. Put it back together with some good fluid, and fit a cooler.

skip-unstuck wrote:The Homework I have done there supposed to be quite strong and be able to take the 5ltr,
The hardest thing is wiring them up to mate with other ECU's,

But if the one your looking at is all done you dont have to worry about that.
There is options such as Lock up convertor and valve body upgrade, The one main killer is heat, so a oil cooler is std.

A 5.0l is no big deal at all. I have 280rwkw through one (turboed 4.5 nissan V8) and it doesn't even get hot. BUT I have a manual valve body from Wholesale automatics, 2 big oil coolers and run synthetic fluid.

stick with man box i had a a440f in my 60 series running 33s got too hot all the time in winter converted it to 5 spped man box. just my 5cent worth.

12ht wrote:stick with man box i had a a440f in my 60 series running 33s got too hot all the time in winter converted it to 5 spped man box. just my 5cent worth.

And a Toyota A440f from a 60series is relevent to a thread on GQ RE4R03A auto how?

I like my auto. Done a little work with my 35s in the snow and it went well. Just didnt use overdrive at HWY speeds. But my SWB still has the 3.9diff ratios.

Interesting to hear people's experiences with the GQ auto. Our first (or was that 2nd?) GQ was a petty carby auto on gas and it was a gutless bucket of shite. Shortly after we purchased it the auto played up and we took it to a big name local automatics dealer (in Wises Rd for the locals) who quoted around $8K to rebuild it and fit a cooler (none fitted when we purchased it).

His advice was to ditch the Nissan auto and fit a Turbo 700 that he supplied to, and I quote him here "all the caravan towing community that drive around the Sunshine Coast when their auto's detonate". His opinion of the GQ auto was that they were complete junk and not up to the task of moving the car let alone tow something.

Needless to say I converted the car to manual and never looked back. Still very interesting variations of opinions and up until reading the posts above, I was convinced the GQ autos were complete crapola.

Anyway, like I said, interesting to hear others thoughts and experiences.

They can be built tough. Theres anumber of turbo petrol Nissans in Vic that are running the nissan auto.
The 5spd is struggling to be built strong enough. But it seems the 4spd can be built strong.
Actually havent heard of anyone putting a different auto between the Nissan motors and transfer case.

Simo63 wrote:who quoted around $8K to rebuild it and fit a cooler (none fitted when we purchased it).

His advice was to ditch the Nissan auto and fit a Turbo 700 that he supplied to,

1) I'd say he didnt want the job!
2) he had a 700 he wanted to sell quicker..

Will the Standard GQ auto cope with Hard recreational four wheel driving behind a EFI 5.0 ltr or would i need to spend coin on it to make it strong and reliable,
i am nervous about buying a truck that may let me down miles away form home. i have had manual patrols since 1995 and never gave a breakdown in the bush a second thought.
I dont do comps or thrash my trucks, but i do run big tyres and enjoy hard slow going tracks.

Still paranoid.

Grant.

GUEEY wrote:Will the Standard GQ auto cope with Hard recreational four wheel driving behind a EFI 5.0 ltr or would i need to spend coin on it to make it strong and reliable,
i am nervous about buying a truck that may let me down miles away form home. i have had manual patrols since 1995 and never gave a breakdown in the bush a second thought.
I dont do comps or thrash my trucks, but i do run big tyres and enjoy hard slow going tracks.

Still paranoid.

Grant.

if you are keen on the truck, but unsure on the box, mate of mine has an unused fully rebuilt GQ Box from Rodney, with the valvebody, manualised I think he said and goodies done to it already. hes in Cranbourne.

bogged wrote:

Simo63 wrote:who quoted around $8K to rebuild it and fit a cooler (none fitted when we purchased it).

His advice was to ditch the Nissan auto and fit a Turbo 700 that he supplied to,

1) I'd say he didnt want the job!
2) he had a 700 he wanted to sell quicker..

You can build a Nissan auto stronger than a 700 will ever be! You never hear of a Nissan auto cracking apart do you!

Also a standard 5.0 is pretty gutless so a standard Nissan auto with the proper torque converter and a trans cooler would push it. A TD42T with average boost will have more torque than a 5.0 even would and they handle that fine. Compare the 2 motor specs and you'll stop worrying. Contrary to popular believe the 5.0 Holden motor is not what a V8 Supercar runs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the RE4R03A is the same auto that a lot of nissans run, including skylines. Yarra Valley autos in melbourne do a lot of work with these, and have built a lot of tough skyline boxes over the years.

as for descents, first gear in an auto is always gonna be a lot longer than first in a manual. but if you grab low range, and have a torque converter lockup switch fitted, you should be able to tackle most stuff.

Hi To the forum
Sorry to hijack but what torque converters are people running with the standard nissan auto and 5 litre holden engine.
I am just about to start a 5 litre conversion and some people say you can run the standard stall converter and other people say you must change the stall speed.
Any advice app reacted.
Also my auto was rebuilt not long ago by a auto specialist looking at a power upgrade at the time.

Regards

Talk to Rodney at Wholesale autos as they probably have one sitting on the shelf.

nzdarin wrote:Talk to Rodney at Wholesale autos as they probably have one sitting on the shelf.

Best advice yet.