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Feel like a nerd today..2 new topics in 1 day lol

iv read a heap of threads but there all basically all gq's..

ok, now there a bloke down the road that i know that is selling and ex cop vs 5.0l with 350 odd thou for $1500(im sure he'd take $1000)
Now i havnt spoken to him yet to see what sort of mods are on it (being an ex cop car) but i know the bloke that lives next door to him who repairs heads and he said that its still a goer of an engine!

Now i know most of you will say that it's prob not worth putting it in a heavy gu, but if i were to buy it i would slowly build it up into a weopon of an engine(with help of coarse)!.Put new cam,crank heads suited to gas and possibly chip it! and also put new rings and anything else that needs doing while it apart! Labour will be all but nothing and all parts i'l be getting at trade prices!

My 4.5 is running very nice at the moment, thats why there's no rush!
Rob(The Head Man) used to own a vs 5.0l that pumped out around 300hp at the wheels and never had a problem with the engine, he just kept blowing diffs every 10 thou..

From all the guys that have done it with there gq's was there many drama's with anything fitting up? My main interest is cos i can get the car complete and mainly then will only need gearbox adapters, some aftermarket brackets here and there and some wiring to be done(yes i know there's more to it )
also how good a job would the 4.5 radiator do of keeping it cool? and how would the clutch hold up??

Is there anyone out there with a 5.0l(worked or standed) in there gu??
I would expect the same ecconomy or maby less then my 4.5!
currently getting 450 odd highway and 400 round town on gas with stuff all power difference!

oh it's late and im starting to ramble..
i'l put in some more imput tomorrow!
in the mean time guys feel free to voice your opinions!

oh and im not interested in chevs or holdens 5.7's either,after a tough engine cos if i do this conversion i'l be keeping the car for some years yet!

thanks lads

well if you do do the swap i would be interested in your old 4.5 motor

300hp at the wheels is nothing for these diffs so something there is not right, read that as you will.....as for 5 litre conversions, your wasting your time and money.....$$$ vs Power a 5.7 gen 3 is much better for the money, especially with motors second hand for $1500 ish and brand new 6 litres for $4400...why ppl persist in gutless holden 5.0 i will never know.

My honest opinion is that it's not worth doing. The 5 litre is not a particularly desirable engine. I would probably rather have the 4.5, and I'd definitely rather have the GU 4.8.

If people who have them in their GQs are honest, I think you will find a lot of them will say that it's questionable whether it's worth the effort.

(Or they may shout me down, you never know.)

So how come you see so many comp trucks running the 5.0L?

I think your 4.5 with a turbo would waste a 5.0 commode..

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/ftopic86831.php

swb_ute wrote:So how come you see so many comp trucks running the 5.0L?

Few reasons.

5.0 were much cheaper 9 years ago when gen 3's came out, only in last couple years have gen 3's plummeted.

Because Conversion kits where around even longer than 9 years ago

Because Holden is a Holden and no matter how shit a motor/car/anything they build (e.g new daewoos) people will buy them because they have the single highest following of one eyed customers in any product in the country.

It doesnt matter how much proof you provide they dont care they belive its better, just think back to how many times you hear "dont put a 308 in your hilux put a 253 they rev better" ....ahhh yeah no shit they rev better shorter stroke, less torque the only way to make it move is to rev its ass off...but no if you ask a holden boy its nothing to do with physics they rev better cause they do oright.

bogged wrote:I think your 4.5 with a turbo would waste a 5.0 commode..

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/ftopic86831.php

my 3.0 litre will leave a HSV 215kw 5.0 well an truly behind, in actual fact i got video somewhere i'm 3/4 of a car in front of a VZ SS so yeah the 4.5/4.8 turbo would embarrass the old boat anchor.

253 are crap and i am a holden boy.The best holden motor i have ever had was a 186 im my eh holden but i don't think a 186 would push my truck along that well so now i am about to put a 355 stroker into my swb.

i hava 5.0L in my GQ i did it 7 maybe 8 years ago then it was good but now i wouldn't even look at a 5.0l even if your building it up when you can get a gen 3 between 1500-3000 then build the gen 3 up

hey lads

thanks for all your imput! i was expecting some negativity towards the 5.0l for power etc..

now to answer your question Nutter GQ, he wasnt blowing patrol diffs he was blowing his commo diffs up! That car used to do wheel stands!!

im also not to keen to turbo the 4.5.. i know they hawl ass but for how long before they start going pop..! The alloy heads arnt the best and the rods are piss week in size compared to the 4.2 petty..! i have read that turbo thread completly through and although im impressed there were lots of dramas with the gas,rods and other random stuff going wrong..

im also aware that i would be better off just buying a 4.8 as they have more power strait of the bat compared to a 5.0l,but iv spend so many man hours customising little things to my truck that i would hate to start it all again..

also im looking at it from a mecanical point as well, my oldmans an oldschool mechanic who's done quite afew conversions in his time and rob(the head repairer) loves the strength of the 5.0l so much more then the 5.7 or 6.0l!
although in saying that Rob's got a 400hp 350 sbc in his boat which friggin fly's! but again he's always fixing or replacing something!

i know there are plentiful amount of cheap parts for the 350 chev/holdens 5.7/6.0l but i(father) dont want to be ripping it apart every second weekend replacing something!
To all the guys out there with 350 chevs/holdens how are they for reliability in the heavy ass nissans??

surely a 5.0l stroked,cammed chip,headers/exhaust etc will do the same job of a 5.7/6/0 but with more reliabilty being all iron block/heads etc!!!

i took the 5.0l for a drive this arvs and it went pretty bloody good to me,even though the auto was clunky and the steering was shot..and said he would take a grand for it!

so i dunno..
can someone please giv me a conservative estimate just on conversion parts ie.no engine mods, just gearbox adapters etc!


thanks for the reply's lads

Have a look here -> http://www.marks4wd.com/products/engine ... n%20V8.htm

5.7 all the way imo

think i might remove my new members buildup of my 5L gq ute, im now embarrassed to own it :-)

had a look a marks adapters last night, to be honest i dont know alot about engine conversions(im a roof plumber/builder who like loves tinkering with what ever i can)
i learn from reading what you guys have done and from what dad tells me!
so how much of the kit can be welded up/custom made?
how much is a neccessity to buy?
and do all the 5.0l accessories stay ie. power steer alternator and radiator??

woot

Have a read through this it will give you a good idea of what you will have to do
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/show ... hp?t=34812

simcoe wrote: ok, now there a bloke down the road that i know that is selling and ex cop vs 5.0l with 350 odd thou for $1500(im sure he'd take $1000)
Now i havnt spoken to him yet to see what sort of mods are on it (being an ex cop car) but i know the bloke that lives next door to him who repairs heads and he said that its still a goer of an engine!

Dont look at a Cop car engine and think the cops did anything to it. There bog std holden/ford engines. If its modded, then its been done after it left the police force.

NutterGQ wrote: "dont put a 308 in your hilux put a 253 they rev better" ....ahhh yeah no shit they rev better shorter stroke, less torque the only way to make it move is to rev its ass off...but no if you ask a holden boy its nothing to do with physics they rev better cause they do oright.

off topic i know, but 308s and 253s have the same stroke, 253 has a smaller bore. which is why i laugh at people that claim 253s 'rev better'.
the only thing they have going for them in that regard is a lighter piston.
by rights they 'rev' the same (same piston speeds for a given RPM), it just you HAVE to rev the tits off a 253 for it move.


An interesting engine i've driven was a 310 stroker (253 with 355 crank)
I said interesting, not good.

Before you buy the car.. add up all the little things you thikn you will need, like adapter kit etc...
then double it. many threads say to do this as it will be closer to the mark.

Then agian if your dads done willions of conversions he should be able to give you an idea of cost.

chimpboy wrote:My honest opinion is that it's not worth doing. The 5 litre is not a particularly desirable engine. I would probably rather have the 4.5, and I'd definitely rather have the GU 4.8.

If people who have them in their GQs are honest, I think you will find a lot of them will say that it's questionable whether it's worth the effort.

(Or they may shout me down, you never know.)

chimp boy is onto sumfin mate plonk a turbs on the 4.5 will prob eat a 6L

i put a ford 5.0 into my patrol (blew it up before a proper drive) used dellow bellhousing which was shit, the whole adaptor was so messed up i had to get several things remachined.

including my $1200 engine it cost 5 grand. that is all.

ashbilt wrote:

chimpboy wrote:My honest opinion is that it's not worth doing. The 5 litre is not a particularly desirable engine. I would probably rather have the 4.5, and I'd definitely rather have the GU 4.8.

If people who have them in their GQs are honest, I think you will find a lot of them will say that it's questionable whether it's worth the effort.

(Or they may shout me down, you never know.)

chimp boy is onto sumfin mate plonk a turbs on the 4.5 will prob eat a 6L

you really have no idea what the 5.7 and 6.0 is capable of do you? i'll let you in on what's obviously a secret, with a small cam (228-232) tune, exhaust and extractors the current 6.0 is makin 320-330+rwkw. that's a stock motor plus cam, to push a 4.5 there is possible but not for the same money.

simcoe wrote:hey lads

thanks for all your imput! i was expecting some negativity towards the 5.0l for power etc..

now to answer your question Nutter GQ, he wasnt blowing patrol diffs he was blowing his commo diffs up! That car used to do wheel stands!!

im also not to keen to turbo the 4.5.. i know they hawl ass but for how long before they start going pop..! The alloy heads arnt the best and the rods are piss week in size compared to the 4.2 petty..! i have read that turbo thread completly through and although im impressed there were lots of dramas with the gas,rods and other random stuff going wrong..

im also aware that i would be better off just buying a 4.8 as they have more power strait of the bat compared to a 5.0l,but iv spend so many man hours customising little things to my truck that i would hate to start it all again..

also im looking at it from a mecanical point as well, my oldmans an oldschool mechanic who's done quite afew conversions in his time and rob(the head repairer) loves the strength of the 5.0l so much more then the 5.7 or 6.0l!
although in saying that Rob's got a 400hp 350 sbc in his boat which friggin fly's! but again he's always fixing or replacing something!

i know there are plentiful amount of cheap parts for the 350 chev/holdens 5.7/6.0l but i(father) dont want to be ripping it apart every second weekend replacing something!
To all the guys out there with 350 chevs/holdens how are they for reliability in the heavy ass nissans??

surely a 5.0l stroked,cammed chip,headers/exhaust etc will do the same job of a 5.7/6/0 but with more reliabilty being all iron block/heads etc!!!

i took the 5.0l for a drive this arvs and it went pretty bloody good to me,even though the auto was clunky and the steering was shot..and said he would take a grand for it!

so i dunno..
can someone please giv me a conservative estimate just on conversion parts ie.no engine mods, just gearbox adapters etc!


thanks for the reply's lads

alloy blocked gen 3's have been pushed to 350+rwkw and held fine, at that power level the 5.0 has already lifted a head and retired.

siklux wrote:think i might remove my new members buildup of my 5L gq ute, im now embarrassed to own it :-)

stroke it

or replace it with a real v8, a chev

JEs

NutterGQ wrote:

ashbilt wrote:

chimpboy wrote:My honest opinion is that it's not worth doing. The 5 litre is not a particularly desirable engine. I would probably rather have the 4.5, and I'd definitely rather have the GU 4.8.

If people who have them in their GQs are honest, I think you will find a lot of them will say that it's questionable whether it's worth the effort.

(Or they may shout me down, you never know.)

chimp boy is onto sumfin mate plonk a turbs on the 4.5 will prob eat a 6L

you really have no idea what the 5.7 and 6.0 is capable of do you? i'll let you in on what's obviously a secret, with a small cam (228-232) tune, exhaust and extractors the current 6.0 is makin 320-330+rwkw. that's a stock motor plus cam, to push a 4.5 there is possible but not for the same money.

Putting a 5.7 or 6 in makes sense, I for one am just saying that putting a holden 5.0 litre in makes almost no sense.

Put the 6.0 in but heres one with a 5ltr for sale

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nissan-Patrol-5- ... 240%3A1318

swb_ute wrote:Have a read through this it will give you a good idea of what you will have to do
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/show ... hp?t=34812

thanks for the thread!
thats some good reading and info right there!!!
and gives me a bit more of a dollar estimate and whats involved
am i wrong in saying that there would be more wiring involved for the 5.7/6.0L's then the 5.0l??

oh and yes Jessie928 i would be stroking it if i went ahead!

simcoe wrote:

swb_ute wrote:Have a read through this it will give you a good idea of what you will have to do
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/show ... hp?t=34812

thanks for the thread!
thats some good reading and info right there!!!
and gives me a bit more of a dollar estimate and whats involved
am i wrong in saying that there would be more wiring involved for the 5.7/6.0L's then the 5.0l??

oh and yes Jessie928 i would be stroking it if i went ahead!

Would be the same amount of wiring really.
Found this today would make the job easy

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 0354026058

well finally spoke to dad..he's been out the middle of nowhere working shut down work on a filthy power station..

anywho i told him my plans and he just reply's " hell yeah that'l be a piece of piss to do..those things go forever!"
then starts saying"yeah we'l put a stroker kit and do all sorts of shiza to it..!"
i think he wants a chance to be young again..
he's a clever basted..trouble is he knows it and carries on like a wank some times..

and since he's retired and only does shut down work he's got all the time in the world

so he's home on fri and where going to suss it over and talk some sense about the whole project!
i'l keep everyone posted!

sorry to bring my thread back up..but i got thinking last night and remembered reading/hearing somewhere that it is illegal to put older model engines in newer cars..??!!
any truth to this?, oh and i would ring the rta but it's to early!, and tried searching google and this forum and couldn't get a solid answer!

thanks