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hi there just wondering if anybody can tell me where to get one the for front of my GQ
thanks

opposite lock or 4wd systems

cheers will check them are they any good its for a weekend bash not real extream stuff

hundreds and hundreds of threads on how good they are, all it requires is a 2 second search.

not even any good for a boat anchor

once u get one u will start breaking cvs but in saying that comes down to tyre size and driving style


AND DO A SEARCH..........

ashbilt wrote:not even any good for a boat anchor

I call bullsh*t they are excellent for boat anchors, nice and heavy (to sink well) just need to weld on some flappy bits so they dig in the bottom a bit better.

4wd systems Lokka = cheap and nasty. Opposite Lock are nearly as expensive as Air Locker (Detroits are MORE!!! )

Do yourself a favour and save/borrow/steal/prostitute yourself and get an airlocker. For Luxes, Zooks and even cruisers, the auto lockers are a bit cheaper, but for patrol they are VERY close to air locker prices.

Just buy the air locker.

Seriously.

jap wrote:cheers will check them are they any good its for a weekend bash not real extream stuff

I call bullshit on ALL of the above posts. How many of you guys have actually fitted and ran one of these lockers???

I have one in my GQ (have for some time now) and havent had ANY issues yet. Three of my mates also run them (Patrols and Hilux's) without any issues.

The main issue people have is that they dont install/set them up correctly, and it plays havoc on the lock/unlock mechanism.

Do a search and you'll find plenty of info on here, but if you're after a budget diff lock without any welding - the auto lockers are great.

coxy321 wrote:

jap wrote:cheers will check them are they any good its for a weekend bash not real extream stuff

I call bullshit on ALL of the above posts. How many of you guys have actually fitted and ran one of these lockers???

I have one in my GQ (have for some time now) and havent had ANY issues yet. Three of my mates also run them (Patrols and Hilux's) without any issues.

The main issue people have is that they dont install/set them up correctly, and it plays havoc on the lock/unlock mechanism.

Do a search and you'll find plenty of info on here, but if you're after a budget diff lock without any welding - the auto lockers are great.

i ran them in a few cars look at me members page

Have had 4wd systems in the front of 2 GUs,hilux and an 80 and have never had any problems all have had 35s/36s , would definently recommend for a cheap locker.

money_killer wrote:once u get one u will start breaking cvs but in saying that comes down to tyre size and driving style

Correct, wouldn't this be the same for ANY locked diff (PorLocker, AirLocker, Detroit........)

coxy321 wrote:

money_killer wrote:once u get one u will start breaking cvs but in saying that comes down to tyre size and driving style

Correct, wouldn't this be the same for ANY locked diff (PorLocker, AirLocker, Detroit........)

I reckon so, I obliterated 2 drivers side cv's with the front airlocker in my first gq and I put that down to engaging the locker at the wrong time.

twodiffs wrote:

coxy321 wrote:

money_killer wrote:once u get one u will start breaking cvs but in saying that comes down to tyre size and driving style

Correct, wouldn't this be the same for ANY locked diff (PorLocker, AirLocker, Detroit........)

I reckon so, I obliterated 2 drivers side cv's with the front airlocker in my first gq and I put that down to engaging the locker at the wrong time.

not really cause the auto locker is on all the time where in a air locker u only turn it on when needed. so cvs break alot quicker having an auto locker

Ive ran those so called boat anchors in both a gq and a gu and have never broken a cv or any other part in fact i would go out and say they are better than an air locker that would make a good expensive boat anchor get over the air verse auto if your got deep pockets go the air after all you get a couple of switches to play with but if you want a cheap traction control that works without a air pump hoses and switches all of what can causes problems when you need it to work go the auto

money_killer wrote:

twodiffs wrote:

coxy321 wrote:

money_killer wrote:once u get one u will start breaking cvs but in saying that comes down to tyre size and driving style

Correct, wouldn't this be the same for ANY locked diff (PorLocker, AirLocker, Detroit........)

I reckon so, I obliterated 2 drivers side cv's with the front airlocker in my first gq and I put that down to engaging the locker at the wrong time.

not really cause the auto locker is on all the time where in a air locker u only turn it on when needed. so cvs break alot quicker having an auto locker

Not really. Auto lockers aren't locked ALL of the time - otherwise they would just call them "constant diff lock".

The point you've missed is that these "breakages" aren't of the actual product, but of the axle/CV. This comes entirely 100% down to driver attitude and style, not what mechanism you lock your diff with.

No doubt if someone had to stop and put their hubs in (with an auto locker) to tackle an obstackle, you're telling me that you wouldn't be turning your airlocker on?

What i am trying to say is that under the same circumstances (diff locked), you have equal chances of busting an axle/cv regardless of what locking mechanism you run. Last time i checked, ARB hadn't developed an "Axle and CV Saver".

coxy321 wrote:Not really. Auto lockers aren't locked ALL of the time - otherwise they would just call them "constant diff lock".

Actually, I'd call it a 'spool'

coxy321 wrote:The point you've missed is that these "breakages" aren't of the actual product, but of the axle/CV. This comes entirely 100% down to driver attitude and style, not what mechanism you lock your diff with.

Yup, People seem to think that auto lockers magically break shafts
The only thing I've noticed from auto lockers is a little more backlash which could create more stress on the axle/diff/gears or what ever else has power going through it.

Luke.

Edit: I may have contradicted myself when I mentioned backlash after my previous statement...

coxy321 wrote:

money_killer wrote:

twodiffs wrote:

coxy321 wrote:

money_killer wrote:once u get one u will start breaking cvs but in saying that comes down to tyre size and driving style

Correct, wouldn't this be the same for ANY locked diff (PorLocker, AirLocker, Detroit........)

I reckon so, I obliterated 2 drivers side cv's with the front airlocker in my first gq and I put that down to engaging the locker at the wrong time.

not really cause the auto locker is on all the time where in a air locker u only turn it on when needed. so cvs break alot quicker having an auto locker

Not really. Auto lockers aren't locked ALL of the time - otherwise they would just call them "constant diff lock".

The point you've missed is that these "breakages" aren't of the actual product, but of the axle/CV. This comes entirely 100% down to driver attitude and style, not what mechanism you lock your diff with.

No doubt if someone had to stop and put their hubs in (with an auto locker) to tackle an obstackle, you're telling me that you wouldn't be turning your airlocker on?

What i am trying to say is that under the same circumstances (diff locked), you have equal chances of busting an axle/cv regardless of what locking mechanism you run. Last time i checked, ARB hadn't developed an "Axle and CV Saver".

wat im saying is when u are in 4wd the front is "pretty much" locked. causing stress all the time when in 4wd but with an air lock it is not locked until u press the switch so they is never any stress unless when its locked in that is wat im saying.


and i dont know about u but all the auto locked cars i been in they rarely disengauge unless at full lock turning pretty much.

understand where im coming from .........

money_killer wrote:

coxy321 wrote:

money_killer wrote:

twodiffs wrote:

coxy321 wrote: Correct, wouldn't this be the same for ANY locked diff (PorLocker, AirLocker, Detroit........)

I reckon so, I obliterated 2 drivers side cv's with the front airlocker in my first gq and I put that down to engaging the locker at the wrong time.

not really cause the auto locker is on all the time where in a air locker u only turn it on when needed. so cvs break alot quicker having an auto locker

Not really. Auto lockers aren't locked ALL of the time - otherwise they would just call them "constant diff lock".

The point you've missed is that these "breakages" aren't of the actual product, but of the axle/CV. This comes entirely 100% down to driver attitude and style, not what mechanism you lock your diff with.

No doubt if someone had to stop and put their hubs in (with an auto locker) to tackle an obstackle, you're telling me that you wouldn't be turning your airlocker on?

What i am trying to say is that under the same circumstances (diff locked), you have equal chances of busting an axle/cv regardless of what locking mechanism you run. Last time i checked, ARB hadn't developed an "Axle and CV Saver".

wat im saying is when u are in 4wd the front is "pretty much" locked. causing stress all the time when in 4wd but with an air lock it is not locked until u press the switch so they is never any stress unless when its locked in that is wat im saying.


and i dont know about u but all the auto locked cars i been in they rarely disengauge unless at full lock turning pretty much.

understand where im coming from .........

I do understand where you're coming from, but i dont think its fair to generalise and say "auto lockers are shyte, and they break your axles/cv's so dont buy one". I'm not having a personal dig, but its quite obvious that there's plenty of people willing to offer advice/opinions on products they have never owned or used. Anyway, enough chit chat.

Jap, if you cant afford a "brand name" air operated diff lock, go the auto locking route and you'll be fine. Just make sure you get it setup within the specs.

Peace out!!

I've been running a LOCKRIGHT in my rear diff now for almost 9 years and also in the front for 7 years.
Mine is a swb mq and I've never broken anything during offroad use in all that time and I'm running 33" bfg m/t.
My only gripe when I first put it in the rear was that it made the rear end a bit twitchy when going in and out of roundabouts, but I soon got used to that. I really think it comes down to how aggressively you drive. If you really want to hit the ruff stuff, go for the air locker, but if you've got a handbrake perched in the passenger seat holding you back, then the Lockright will do everything you want, without breaking budget.
By the way try www.4wdsystems.com.au for best price.

Have had a lockright lokka for about 4 years. Turbo diesel patrol. 35 inch simex.

Done a heap of decent work in it, and never done a CV joint.

My old man is similar in a FJ62 Landcruiser, with only 1 CV breakage in about 10 years.

I had 4wd systems lokka's in f & r of a 96 turbo deisel Hilux with 33" muddies, Yes i broke Cv's but every time that was driver error.
i bought them in 1999 they had a special buy 1 get the 2nd 1/2 price
I fitted them with the help from a mechanic freind & for 2 lockers cost me $900.00 At the time air lokkers fitted by my self with out compressor was $2,300 BIG differance I had the car till late 07 & apart from 5 busted cv's i had no other drive train issues.

The only down side was that back end was twitchy (powering through corners helps & rolling in to tight turns rather than under drive)
but in 4wd it was a Bitch to turn & bound up every now & then but the upside was i could drive a lot more places in 2wd as the back was locked up. So i used mostly 2wd & low 4wd when i needed more torque ,hardly ever used Hi 4wd in the bush only at the beach.

I now have a Gu with Air lokka Front (Only because it came with it).
it is definatly better.It still binds up in 4wd now & then but you can just turn it off. If you can wait & save the bucks for an air lokka i would do it.

If some one you know has the autos or maybe an outers member near you might be nice enough to take you for a spin be for you buy that would put you mind at ease

Dooma

The 4wd systems lokka's ARE cheaper (never seen them thru NORMAL channels for $900 for the pair though), when I was in the market a few years ago, they were about $795, but the others Lock-Rite, Detroits are just as expensive.

If you can get a pair of auto's for $900, go for it, but ask the previousl WHY he is getting rid of them!!

If you're willing to try 4wd systems lokkas, why not save a BIT longer and get the chinese air locker copies for $1500 for a pair?

i find foot on throttle front locked foot of throttle unlocked what could be more simple climbing big hill looking for button to unlock or lifting foot of throttle and vice a verse now flying through air with air locker on looking for switch to turn of before landing and smashing cv or foot off throttle and keeping cv i don't know it is a simple driving change but like i said if you want air locker buy them if u want something that does the job go with coin left to buy something else ring up 4wdsystems and fit it your self

Nuthin wrong with lock rights, i had one in the rear and i loved it. It was a bit weird to drive at first especially around round abouts but i soon got used to it and learned when to accelerate and back off. Once i learned how to drive with it i hardly noticed it was there. Like coxy said they have to be set up right. As for the cv's, my way of thinking is that it should help cv life as its spreading power to both sides and not just one side. My 2c worth but go for it bro there a good locker for not alot of money and has alot less things to go wrong with it unlike some other lockers. You should speak to Rick from BBM they sell them.

[quote="bigbluemav"]The 4wd systems lokka's ARE cheaper (never seen them thru NORMAL channels for $900 for the pair though), when I was in the market a few years ago, they were about $795, but the others Lock-Rite, Detroits are just as expensive.



the deal i got was out of an add in 4wd monthy buy 1 lokka & get the 2nd 1/2 price. I bought the back wich was $500.00 & got the front for 1/2 price wich was $795 devided x 2 = 398 = grand total of $898 but like i said that was 10 years ago

They are garbage, maybe good for easy 4x4ing though. Depends what ya want them for. I had 2 in my old cruiser running 35's. Broke 1. And the second kept chewing up the dowls and springs constantly, after getting it reset by the pros about 3 times. Ijust gave it away. I told the guy who took it off me about the problems and even refused to accept any money for it. I HATED IT. Air locker all the way...

I have a Richmond in the front of my GQ and for the money it works fine.

TheBigBoy wrote:They are garbage, maybe good for easy 4x4ing though. Depends what ya want them for. I had 2 in my old cruiser running 35's. Broke 1. And the second kept chewing up the dowls and springs constantly, after getting it reset by the pros about 3 times. Ijust gave it away. I told the guy who took it off me about the problems and even refused to accept any money for it. I HATED IT. Air locker all the way...

80 series Diffs a Crap from the start, designed for a 1.5T hilux and shoved into a 2.8T car, they break more than the CV's

I have a PowerTrax Lockrite in mine, its done over 300,000K's (my mates 4x4 and mine) and its still going strong, unlocks a bit slow but i have found a way to make it. I don't baby this thing either, 7" lift and 35's it does what its supposed to do for the size, broke 1 CV and that was cause the Swivel hub filled with mud and water and got into the CV itself and snapped it, would have happened unlocked or with airlockers.

Another note, drive an air locker car up ahd hill and disengage it half way up, it will still be locked as its got weight on the mechanism, driven one, felt it happen, would like air one, but my $200 Powertrax is great for what i paid for it, gets me everywhere a Air locker will,

MyGQ wrote:
80 series Diffs a Crap from the start, designed for a 1.5T hilux and shoved into a 2.8T car, they break more than the CV's

What a crock.