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well as the tittle states, im interestd to see who else would be keen in a 4 point roll cage for their shorty, if theres enough interest we could look into 6 points instead/as well, and if people dont need it to comply with ccda it can be done with the tube used for bull bars to keep costs down (different thinkness or something). have talked about it with millweld a while agao but going there tomorrow so will ask a bit more, will also enquire with tomahawkracefab, cheezy, ontrack and others if there is enough interest in the same thing. also post up what you want/need so i can try to get some specifics, im going to be looking to get one in the next month or two after my engine is in so people would have a bit of time to gather funds.
im looking for it to be finished and installed too, so nothing would be needed to be done by the buyer.

cheers shannon

Same questio from patrol forum.

Wouldnt you go with this CCDA std as a mininmum for safety? Unless its just for looks.

IMWO if it was me, my head maybe hideous, it doesnt need anymore damage A rollcage is there to save ya arse and would want the strongest possible.

Did that GQ Proddy class ever get off the ground?

And the obvious question everyone will ask - costs.

same answer as patrol forum too
ccda is the std for racing and a lot of people dont plan on comps but want the extra safety, they specify a certain type of tube cos its bloody good but the stuff that is used for good tube bars weighs more but cost less, still bloody strong otherwise it wouldnt be used, yeh productin class runs but for the bigger comps i think you still need a 6 point,i have had rough prices of 5-600 for bullbar tube and 7-800 for the better stuff so expect to part with at least $500 to be a part of this.

GQshaz wrote:same answer as patrol forum too
ccda is the std for racing and a lot of people dont plan on comps but want the extra safety, they specify a certain type of tube cos its bloody good but the stuff that is used for good tube bars weighs more but cost less, still bloody strong otherwise it wouldnt be used, yeh productin class runs but for the bigger comps i think you still need a 6 point,i have had rough prices of 5-600 for bullbar tube and 7-800 for the better stuff so expect to part with at least $500 to be a part of this.

The tube in my cage is lighter than bullbar tube. But will be stronger than most cages

I looked at building my own basic cage not long ago but could not work out a way to make it go past the seats near the pillars even a 4 pointer.

well i was at millweld today, he said a 4 point made from the right stuff (44 something something) with removable cross braces in the main hoop would be around $600ish but would prob drop to around $500ish if more than 3 were being bought/made at the same time (could get better if there are 5+), a bolt in version would cost a bit more due to the extra hassle so ill be going with weld in, if people would prefer he can mount them far enough back so the front seats can be moved right back for tall people and the back stays can be done so that people can still run rear seats if they want/need by taking the cross braces out.
for a 6 point it would be more like $1700ish so im just gunna go with a 4 point.
the prices are for the cages fully installed
ive probably forgotten something so if you have any questions ask away
if people want to sus out some of his work he'll have 4 cars at the wandin 4wd show later this month.

how about a price for just the pipe bent up and then self install?

at a guess thatd have to save a few hundred, your in qld though are you? so freight would kill any savings. plus youd have to sort your own freight. but if your in vic then sure itd be a lot cheaper if you can do it yourself.

not a bad price for fitted and welded but my seat is all the way back and reclined ethnic person style too so the uprights would have to pass through the back seat...I just cant do it.

hey i got a shorty mq, can i get in on this

dont think it would be much of a problem, i assume the shape/lenght of the cage wouldn't be much different to a gq, ill ask mill next w/e at wandin 4wd show, should be easy to put in cos you can take the top off the mq cant you? would you have any specific needs that may be different for your setup?

i am doing a bolt in cage for GQ utes/ swb/ lwb using proper cage joiners, these will be full bolt in ccda/mmm approved. they will be around the 1800-2k mark using proper material/components.

yeah the canopy bit does come off, i cant think of anythin diff, let me no how u go,

yeh ill have an answer by this sunday, be good if there the same, might be able to get more interest and keep the price down more

well the cabs are pretty simialar in size and shape, would like 1 that looks strong and legit to keep everyone happy, bolt in or weld or both dnt mata, would be looking to install myself, or aleast assit fitting, am down in south gippy n car aint on the road atm.

yep itll definately be strong and well made, im going for weld in but if you want to do it yourself spose you could go bolt in, youd just need to put sections of plate on either side of the body.

I would have thought, weld in or bolt in. Both would need some form of plate. Or else the tube would just punch thru the floor.
Also if bolt in, it needs the right size plate. As I know of atleast one car at the 08 OBC that had the cage punch a hole thru the floor.

with bolt in there needs to be a piece of plate on both sides of the floor to stop it pulling through the floor, the weld in only needs the inside plate, and yes they do have to be a certain size for ccda specs

here is a link to the CCDA specs, list requirements for the 4 point rear cage thd full 6 point cage.

http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/22272 ... portV8.pdf

my sugestion is to look at bond roll bars in sydney, they can nock up bolt in cages and ship, be pretty cheap for group buy and ship the lot, they are bolt in, fully removable etc, fitting the front hoops of the cage to the front of the vehicle in a full 6 point in a massice pita though oif you are looking at a 6 point as you need to pull the dash out and is worth pulling the windscreen out as well

bond use a bolt up system to join all the bars ie rear links to rear hoop, rear hoop to front hoops, spreader bar etc, they build them for v8 supercars and other race vehicles and I highly recomend them

giantracing wrote:i am doing a bolt in cage for GQ utes/ swb/ lwb using proper cage joiners, these will be full bolt in ccda/mmm approved. they will be around the 1800-2k mark using proper material/components.

With or without the roof lining in ?

Nick

CWBYUP wrote:

giantracing wrote:i am doing a bolt in cage for GQ utes/ swb/ lwb using proper cage joiners, these will be full bolt in ccda/mmm approved. they will be around the 1800-2k mark using proper material/components.

With or without the roof lining in ?

Nick

doesnt matter mate..................

well spoke to mill today and the swb mk/mq will be the same as the gq so same cost, also checked out some very sexy mill 6 point cages today at wandin so if funding can be obtained that might be on the cards but wont know till after the engine is in and done. and interest in 6's?

sweet as, im cuttin floor out and weldin in new 1, do they need the vehicle to make to fit or they confident on the measurements?

well mill said they were almost identical so shouldnt need it, but you have to speak to mill to be sure of the details to suit yours, the idea of a 6 point is really growing on me now, but im sure getting 4's done at the same time will still save money. for those interested 6 point will be $1700 installed but you will need to trim the dash yourself.

Hey All,

I have a 6 point CCDA approved and stamped cage for sale. It is in a Ex comp SWB GQ, can see still in car, not rolled just parting out car. Has mounting points for harness also.


$1200

will do deal on GQ tube bar swap.

Daniel
0400 393 282
Lilydale