Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Just having a look at my tyre wear and as it's had a slight lift and is IFS there's quite a bit of tyre wear on the outer edges, which is to be expected.

I've rotated them but as there's always going to be more wear on the outer edge is it worth stripping the tyres off the rim and remounting them the other way around? The tyres aren't unidirectional so it doesn't matter which way they go.

Is it really worth it? I'd be going to a tyre place to do it plus have to get them rebalanced as well.

TheOtherLeft wrote:Just having a look at my tyre wear and as it's had a slight lift and is IFS there's quite a bit of tyre wear on the outer edges, which is to be expected.

I've rotated them but as there's always going to be more wear on the outer edge is it worth stripping the tyres off the rim and remounting them the other way around? The tyres aren't unidirectional so it doesn't matter which way they go.

Is it really worth it? I'd be going to a tyre place to do it plus have to get them rebalanced as well.

yeah good idea

i do this at home

Jes

An IFS setup that is wearing the outer edges suggests the tyres are under inflated and are rolling under during cornering.
Check your pressures and maybe bump them up a bit.

Turning tyres on the rims is OK IMHO but some people will say it's not a good idea and some will even say its illegal..
You can always mark the direction of rotation and then swap the tyres on the rims so the outside is now inside but it is still rotating the same way.

Jas.

want33s wrote:An IFS setup that is wearing the outer edges suggests the tyres are under inflated and are rolling under during cornering.
Check your pressures and maybe bump them up a bit.

Turning tyres on the rims is OK IMHO but some people will say it's not a good idea and some will even say its illegal..
You can always mark the direction of rotation and then swap the tyres on the rims so the outside is now inside but it is still rotating the same way.

Jas.

yeah its funny how some people say its illegal, these same people probably use and or sell second hand tyres that were mounted god knows which way.

BAN all second hand tyre outlets i say...

Tyres can get used to going on one direction.

It all depends on the tyres, sometimes they get carcass failure sometimes they dont. When i was in the trade it was the tyres that were already suceptible to carcass failure that would crap themselves if you disturbed them.

Its just luck of the draw.

Having said that we used to do it all the time with only the odd failure showing up as a bubble in the sidewall or tread. I never saw total failure.

If you dont rotate the tyres they will be rooted with bald shoulders soon so just do it before they are no good anyway.

I cant see a policeman pulling you up and booking you because your shoulders weren't shagged... therefore you must have rotated your tyres you naughty boy you ..

It is a myth that you cannot rotate (non-directional) radials so that they rotate in the opposite direction.

I have always swapped radials side-side and f-r. 5 wheel rotation on one vehicle and 4-wheel on the other. I have been through 5 sets of radials like this on 3 different 4x4s with no issues.

As mentioned, in the early days of radials, it was thought that you shouldn't rotate them side-side, only front-back.

This site lists all the rotation options and which is best:
Tyre rotation

To quote Bridgestone:

The "Cross Pattern" provides the best results and can be performed on any Front or Rear Wheel Drive vehicle equipped with 4 non-unidirectional tyres.

Vehicles equipped with permanent 4-Wheel Drive and those with "on Command" 4-Wheel Drive and driven mainly in 4-Wheel mode, are best suited to a four tyre cross rotation. With this pattern, tyres from both axles are crossed and installed on the opposing axle.

NB - I have never bothered pullin them off the rims though. But if the shoulder wear is bad, maybe you could do (and put them on the rear as well).

you could swap the tyres from left side rims to right side rims and vis a v

that way the outer edge becomes the inner edge and the tyre is still rotating in the same direction

I think we're confusing two different issues here.

I already rotate my tyres around the car - FR -> RL, FL -> RR etc.

What I was talking about is stripping the tyre off the rim, flipping it over and then remounting it onto the rim. So now what was before the outer edge is now the inner edge.

The tyres change direction anyway as I rotate them, flipping the tyres on the rim just in theory gives me even wear.

I do run my pressures slightly higher (about 10% higher) then standard but I still get a lot of wear on the outer shoulders.

no, i think everybody is on the same topic here...


its fine to run them backwards. or you could do as 80s-delirious said and swap the fronts to run the forwards still

TheOtherLeft wrote:I think we're confusing two different issues here.

I already rotate my tyres around the car - FR -> RL, FL -> RR etc.

What I was talking about is stripping the tyre off the rim, flipping it over and then remounting it onto the rim. So now what was before the outer edge is now the inner edge.

The tyres change direction anyway as I rotate them, flipping the tyres on the rim just in theory gives me even wear.

I do run my pressures slightly higher (about 10% higher) then standard but I still get a lot of wear on the outer shoulders.

if you already swap your tyres from side to side, then there is absoluteley no difference in spinning the tyre on the rim so your outer becomes the inner.

Get a tyre place to do it, about $20 a tyre i rekon.

I try not to. My rims have a good bead lip on them and most tyre places damage the tyre beads when they break the bead in the rim - then its a real PITA to get them to seal again.

i got mine done recently because they were bald on the outside edge, damn factory positive camber being accentuated by a bent tie rod and being too lazy to fiz it sooner

i paid 30 bucks to have them stripped and fitted and rebalanced as im a regular at this tyre fellow and send him plenty of business.
same rim on same tyre, just other way around, put them back on the same side and it pulled like a prick.

swapped them left to right and it was perfect.

has stopped me locking the fronts on wet roads as i have some tread in contact with the ground now, rather than just a slick

well worth doing it to get a few more months out of a tyre

what sort of PSI you running?

Yes, ive done it a lot of times, cars and 4wds. when I had outside edge wear (completely different to both edges worn, low pressure)

Just turn around on rim and put on opp side.

You could aslo see if you can get a camber kit to help reduce the edge wear?

Bazzle