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Gday

Can anyone explain to me wat's the diferençe betwen trophys (like Camel trophy, Ladoga Trophy etc..) and challenge events, (like Outback Challengue, rainforest challenge etc..) and other events like Ultimate adventures, etc...

Are there real regulations that are diferent in each tipe of events, or is it just a "marketing" thing, or a "hey...this sounds good" thing??

P.S. if you dont want waste time explaining it to me, just point me somewhare where i can read about it

GdLuck

Camel Trophy is just a marketing wank that Landrover uses.... even when they were using there real trucks it still wa a typical English effort..

i dont think the name of the others like trophy or challenge has much to do with them, just name. they all have there own classes and rules, some may be different.

Serg

Nope, it's just a name. It doesn't mean anything in particular.

The use of "challenge" in Australian events relates to them being influenced by the rainforest challenge run in Malaysia.

"Trophy" was used by RJ Reynolds tobacco for the Camel "trophy" as the competitors didn't win anything except the trophy - there were no prizes. Lots of the competitive events in europe are called "trophy" because in inception they were influenced by the camel trophy.

Serg - Land Rover supplied vehicles for the Camel Trophy, but the event was run by RJ Reynolds tobacco and was conceived as marketing for Camel cigarettes. To get around the tobacco sponsorship ban on sport, "Camel Trophy" was established as a clothing brand owned by worldwide brands ltd in the early 90's. sure it was marketing for landrover, but androver eventually pulled out of support for the camel trophy when it started looking like bad PR for them. The event then switched to using Honda CRV's (yes, really!) but I think died a death shortly after. IMHO Russia was the last "proper" Camel (1990? 1989?)

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote: The event then switched to using Honda CRV's (yes, really!) but I think died a death shortly after.

Steve.

Oh I would love to see that, even just for the comical value.

the very first Camel Trophy used jeeps, but when jeep or amc (who ever) didnt want to do it again they were looking for vehicles. LR saw this as a good promotional opertunity, to continue there adventuring spirt that they had built in the 50's and 60's with the likes of the university challenges etc.

they used SIII's, range rovers 110's 90's disco's and freelanders. all fitted with safety devices rollcages,bars winches, michelin tyres etc etc... no diff locks, no suspenion mods, over loaded and alot of the time the load was on the roof racks when there was still room inside

towards the end they included moutainbiking and kyaking running etc...
i have a couple on video, but they dont impress me much.

Serg

1985-1990 were the golden years.

Yes the cars were overloaded. Yes they all had open diffs, yes they were all undertyred. The point wasn't really about how capable the cars were - I think that was all part of the adventure.

I've spoken to a guy who went on a couple through the 80's as a mechanic.

Steve.

I have a DVD here called "The Camel Trophy - The Great Years 87-89"
Is a good one to look at if you wanna get a better understanding of how it was before it deteriorated into an egg & spoon race.

BBM Rick wrote:I have a DVD here called "The Camel Trophy - The Great Years 87-89"
Is a good one to look at if you wanna get a better understanding of how it was before it deteriorated into an egg & spoon race.

Yeah I think it went way down hill when it became the G4 challenge.

It had failed well before then - they were driving around south america building huts and putting in fibreglass replicas of stuff I think this was by the early 2000's

Steve.

the thing i find funny is that with the failures they were finding, they still didnt address them in production...

1986 was Australia, was ment to be up in the big wet, but it didnt rain that year...they had alot of shock, shock mount and other related problems.

Serg