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please!
Picking up our new 4-bee next week (GU Patrol) and the only thing its lacking is a winch
it already has a decent bull bar on it
any suggestions or advice? I haven't bought one for a long time

First and foremost, is the bar a winch bar? If not you need to get yourself a compatible winch bar.

I am going to assume you won't be doing comp work so a low mount winch will be fine.

There are literally hundreds of threads on winches here at OL. Do a search and start reading.

I'll give you a head start.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic165 ... light=warn
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic160 ... light=warn

The Premier winch won the recent comparo and would seem like a good buy.

Cheers

Struth wrote:The Premier winch won the recent comparo and would seem like a good buy.

Cheers

x2......

joeblow wrote:

Struth wrote:The Premier winch won the recent comparo and would seem like a good buy.

Cheers

x2......

-3

for the price you could buy and break about 6 T-max winches and still have change

Warn XD9000....

IMWO dont put all your faith in a magazine that has advertising budgets to deal with...

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote:

Struth wrote:The Premier winch won the recent comparo and would seem like a good buy.

Cheers

x2......

-3

for the price you could buy and break about 6 T-max winches and still have change

yes.....and we all want to break winches..........hang on....no we don't........ .............and they will break..........

T-Max for me.

bogged wrote:Warn XD9000....

IMWO dont put all your faith in a magazine that has advertising budgets to deal with...

Did my natural cynisism (bugger Sp) let me down, I thought it was a pretty good comparo.

Cheers

bogged wrote:Warn XD9000....

IMWO dont put all your faith in a magazine that has advertising budgets to deal with...

Why? And sheep who buy what everyone else are always better off?

The comparo's that I read (4x4 Australia a couple of years ago and 4wd Action recently), the premier winch kicked butt all over the place with both real world winching, a test bed comparo AND, importantly, current draw. It won BOTH comparo's.

It even beat the Warn!!

If I feel the need to buy a winch, that's the one I'll be buying!!

joeblow wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote:

Struth wrote:The Premier winch won the recent comparo and would seem like a good buy.

Cheers

x2......

-3

for the price you could buy and break about 6 T-max winches and still have change

yes.....and we all want to break winches..........hang on....no we don't........ .............and they will break..........

the question you need to ask is, Is the premier 6 times better the a t-max and is the price justified.

personly. I'd rather buy two or three $500 winches and get the same life as you would with one $3000+ winch.

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote:

Struth wrote:The Premier winch won the recent comparo and would seem like a good buy.

Cheers

x2......

-3

for the price you could buy and break about 6 T-max winches and still have change

yes.....and we all want to break winches..........hang on....no we don't........ .............and they will break..........

the question you need to ask is, Is the premier 6 times better the a t-max and is the price justified.

personly. I'd rather buy two or three $500 winches and get the same life as you would with one $3000+ winch.

you might change your mind when you get stuck and your winch fails.

don't be a tight arse......buy high quality to start with.

Depends on how much you're going to use it and under what conditions. Warn don't have the reputation they have for nothing. If you're after a cheaper option then I reckon either Premier or Ironman.

mule75 wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote: x2......

-3

for the price you could buy and break about 6 T-max winches and still have change

yes.....and we all want to break winches..........hang on....no we don't........ .............and they will break..........

the question you need to ask is, Is the premier 6 times better the a t-max and is the price justified.

personly. I'd rather buy two or three $500 winches and get the same life as you would with one $3000+ winch.

you might change your mind when you get stuck and your winch fails.

don't be a tight arse......buy high quality to start with.

yeh im with you whats the point of buying a winch when you cant rely on it all of the time, how often are you gonna be carrying the second winch in ur 4by when the first one burns out?

mule75 wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote: x2......

-3

for the price you could buy and break about 6 T-max winches and still have change

yes.....and we all want to break winches..........hang on....no we don't........ .............and they will break..........

the question you need to ask is, Is the premier 6 times better the a t-max and is the price justified.

personly. I'd rather buy two or three $500 winches and get the same life as you would with one $3000+ winch.

you might change your mind when you get stuck and your winch fails.

don't be a tight arse......buy high quality to start with.

If your winch is your only recovery gear, you deserve to be stuck.

bigbluemav wrote:

bogged wrote:Warn XD9000....

IMWO dont put all your faith in a magazine that has advertising budgets to deal with...

Why? And sheep who buy what everyone else are always better off?

The comparo's that I read (4x4 Australia a couple of years ago and 4wd Action recently), the premier winch kicked butt all over the place with both real world winching, a test bed comparo AND, importantly, current draw. It won BOTH comparo's.

It even beat the Warn!!

If I feel the need to buy a winch, that's the one I'll be buying!!

He asked an opinion, I gave it...

Theres one place selling them for $30 + shipping. Posted it up ages ago.. Why not buy one of them?

again, I take anything written in magazines with a grain of salt... BMW X5 4wd of yr - didnt even do the whole test - I rest my case.

brad-chevlux wrote:

mule75 wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

joeblow wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote: -3

for the price you could buy and break about 6 T-max winches and still have change

yes.....and we all want to break winches..........hang on....no we don't........ .............and they will break..........

the question you need to ask is, Is the premier 6 times better the a t-max and is the price justified.

personly. I'd rather buy two or three $500 winches and get the same life as you would with one $3000+ winch.

you might change your mind when you get stuck and your winch fails.

don't be a tight arse......buy high quality to start with.

If your winch is your only recovery gear, you deserve to be stuck.

i agree but i'm not going to risk my whole car and have to leave it down in a valley or something just because i wanted to save a grand by having a crappy winch instead of just buying right to start with

cheap winches are in the same category as mongrels, ebay electric superchargers and chinese lockers

T-Max, value for money, parts are available locally and the prices are good. They also do a very nice wireless control box. They also make comp winches so are confident in the product.

Cheers
Steve

I run a T-Max 10,000 at $899.00.

But is a Premier really $3k

If so I would go the Warn first, but if the prices are comparable then the premier will get my dough for a high end winch.

Cheers

mule75 wrote: i agree but i'm not going to risk my whole car and have to leave it down in a valley or something just because i wanted to save a grand by having a crappy winch instead of just buying right to start with

cheap winches are in the same category as mongrels, ebay electric superchargers and chinese lockers

Why would you be leaving your car somewhere?

winches are juts a lazy mans way of getting out. Not saying they are bad thing to have, i'm buying one for my patrol.

We have pulled my patrol from bogged up to the chassis in slop with out needing a bar mounted winch, done countless other recoveries with no bar mounted winches.
Sure it takes longer and is damn hard work, but you don't need to leave your car anywhere.

you should always have back up recovery gear anyway, so IF it does fail, you can hand winch or do what ever els is needed

premier is about $1400 - 1500
its about the cheapest premium quality winch

there are other good ones cheaper but if I owned a 4by as heavy as a patrol Id be buy a top quality winch.

I own a zook and so run a chinese 6000lb one and it does even know there is a zook attached

i would by a warn 10000lb more grunt than you will ever need
back it up with a hand winch or comealong chain block [my favourite doesnt break or clog with mud]

would you buy this one?
http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/electri ... er20090228
its not a brand name and we're not going to be doing any competition stuff in it, but its more to get us out of trouble

if u want reliability u want a pto whinch or hidrolic whinch i wont go back to an electric one ever had to many problems with bulldust on numarous eletric winches

What about second hand. I bought a warn high mount, fitted a new warn 6hp motor, titan solinoid and some high amp wire. Even after buying plasma rope will have cost me less than a new high mount winch.
Second hand warn winchs can be bought for $500-$1000 fairly regularly on ebay.

PTO winches are great till you car stalls in the mud and wont restart!!!

Warn FTW if you can afford it, T-MAX if your on a budget IMHO

TTFN

brad-chevlux wrote:

mule75 wrote: i agree but i'm not going to risk my whole car and have to leave it down in a valley or something just because i wanted to save a grand by having a crappy winch instead of just buying right to start with

cheap winches are in the same category as mongrels, ebay electric superchargers and chinese lockers

Why would you be leaving your car somewhere?

winches are juts a lazy mans way of getting out. Not saying they are bad thing to have, i'm buying one for my patrol.

We have pulled my patrol from bogged up to the chassis in slop with out needing a bar mounted winch, done countless other recoveries with no bar mounted winches.
Sure it takes longer and is damn hard work, but you don't need to leave your car anywhere.

you should always have back up recovery gear anyway, so IF it does fail, you can hand winch or do what ever els is needed

what if your wheeling by yourself?

How many people on here have actually broken a Tmax? In zook sizes Tmax are actually stronger an have a more powerful motor than the Warn for half the price.

And for every person that replies saying they have broken a Tmax there will be ten people that have broken a warn, they sell more and they are not infallable so they DO break. I saw a brand new never used in anger warn low mount on a GU twist itself to bits trying to winch a GQ up a hill and the GU wasn't even ancored to a tree. Every brand has breakages, the important thing is which break more often and if you can factor that into the price. That considered Tmax and tigerz11 seem to be shining above the rest.

brad-chevlux wrote:

mule75 wrote: i agree but i'm not going to risk my whole car and have to leave it down in a valley or something just because i wanted to save a grand by having a crappy winch instead of just buying right to start with

cheap winches are in the same category as mongrels, ebay electric superchargers and chinese lockers

Why would you be leaving your car somewhere?

winches are juts a lazy mans way of getting out. Not saying they are bad thing to have, i'm buying one for my patrol.

We have pulled my patrol from bogged up to the chassis in slop with out needing a bar mounted winch, done countless other recoveries with no bar mounted winches.
Sure it takes longer and is damn hard work, but you don't need to leave your car anywhere.

you should always have back up recovery gear anyway, so IF it does fail, you can hand winch or do what ever els is needed

we don't play in slop.....i'd like to see you get out of a high country track like abbots in the wet with no winch or even a crappy one. thats why you're not allowed down there anymore. we've seen cars left down there for dead.

KYSI wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

mule75 wrote: i agree but i'm not going to risk my whole car and have to leave it down in a valley or something just because i wanted to save a grand by having a crappy winch instead of just buying right to start with

cheap winches are in the same category as mongrels, ebay electric superchargers and chinese lockers

Why would you be leaving your car somewhere?

winches are juts a lazy mans way of getting out. Not saying they are bad thing to have, i'm buying one for my patrol.

We have pulled my patrol from bogged up to the chassis in slop with out needing a bar mounted winch, done countless other recoveries with no bar mounted winches.
Sure it takes longer and is damn hard work, but you don't need to leave your car anywhere.

you should always have back up recovery gear anyway, so IF it does fail, you can hand winch or do what ever els is needed

what if your wheeling by yourself?

quite often go wheeling with one car. It doesn't have a winch. only once have i made a phone call to get help. but only because it was getting dark and raining and water level was raising fast. i could have gotten out with help and with out a winch.

anyway that not the point. he wanted recommendations. I made one