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iv done a 2" bl, 31'' maxxis big horn with offset rims, shackles , 2'' Suspension lift jus wondering whats the next step?? thanx

gears, lockers, beefy C.V.s, or bundy diffs, coils, roll cage, front and rear bars, SR20 auto conversion, ect ect ect

i was thinking hilux diffs with hoop shocks .

id be doing a lot of other stuff before going to lux diffs.
try transfer gears and lockers first .
You will be suprised where that will get you

lockers, and some spare axles,
then transfer gears and 33" tyres

rear locker, transfer gears, chromo front axles and front locker, bigger tyres, then if you're not happy custom suspension setups and diff swaps.

thanx guys

Absolutely without a doubt some crawler gears/diff ratios and a rear locker.

I think it all depends on your driving zone, as in, mud, rock, sand whatever, because all things need different.

There is no such thing as the perfect all rounder, a rock crawler needs very low gears, a sand vehicle needs long legs, mud needs pure power to spin wheels and clean out the mud from the treads.

A locker in sand will hold you back badly.

whats your play.

this will determine your build type

You're running 31's you need gears or at least a 1lt transfer to return your gearing to at least standard. Crawler gears are probably the best money you'll spend on a zook. You'll be surprized where an unlocked Sierra can go, just by picking the right line and using the right foot at the right time.

Lockers are great but you don't learn anything by fitting them.

david123 wrote:

A locker in sand will hold you back badly.

whats your play.

why would a locker hold you back in sand?

just cruizin' wrote:You're running 31's you need gears or at least a 1lt transfer to return your gearing to at least standard. Crawler gears are probably the best money you'll spend on a zook. You'll be surprized where an unlocked Sierra can go, just by picking the right line and using the right foot at the right time.

Lockers are great but you don't learn anything by fitting them.

Agreed, and lockers remove ( change ) alot of the fun/challenge in 4wding.

GRPABT1 wrote:

david123 wrote:

why would a locker hold you back in sand?

A sand car should have open diffs as far as I am concerned, as its about keeping revs up, and lots of speed. Whan your climbing real long an real steep, a locker will, lock, and so, you will loose revs, but an open diff, as you lift a wheel, the revs will climb quickly, an when she lets down, its off n racing.

i have had single and double diff locks, and for sand, unless you have huge power, like my worked 460ci, open diff every time.

I had a rangy, rear lock, in sand, she would bog down when locked, but, when not locked, same hill, same everything but no locks (center lock as well) engaged, over the top every time.

VR Rodeo wrote: Lockers are great but you don't learn anything by fitting them.

Agreed, and lockers remove ( change ) alot of the fun/challenge in 4wding.[/quote]

Is so true, an is why I use 2wd, only engage 4wd when im totally stuck. So much fun in my lil bent rusted toy, in 2wd, easily outdoing every other when they in 4wd.

31" baja claws @ 5psi, hardly leaves tread marks where others bog.

david123 wrote:I think it all depends on your driving zone, as in, mud, rock, sand whatever, because all things need different.

There is no such thing as the perfect all rounder, a rock crawler needs very low gears, a sand vehicle needs long legs, mud needs pure power to spin wheels and clean out the mud from the treads.

A locker in sand will hold you back badly.

whats your play.

this will determine your build type

false, lockers will make your car better in sand dont no wat u have been using to think that evan in 2wd with locker makes huge difference

there fixed it for ya and yeh lockers hold ya back badly hmmmm...

weld the rear and lock the front

all depends if its daily drive also.

sand + lockers + mpfi 16v is awesome. no end of traction

I would think that with the added traction of lockers and the right tyres for sand (not big mudders like claws) and good low range gearing you could afford to go alot slower (and hence safer) in the sand, especially in a light weight zook.

with open diffs in sand its pretty annoying when 1 front and 1 back wheel dig right down and you get stuck when the other 2 do nothing

I have had that once, and then it was no drama, suzi so small, all i did was lift her out.

My play zone is pure sand, about 10 mile by 15, an im there all the time, only about 5 mile from me.

Lockers will help, if you get into a wheel lifted situation, but to use it for constant traction, in sand, no, hinders you, far better things to spend money on.

I use 2wd in sand, as I find 4wd makes me lil girl loose to much power, so 2 does the trick very well, better than every other 4wd I know, Im constantly pulling people out of a ditch, they look at my lil toy n some even say, what do you expect to do with that. This is when with great show, i say, well, I could put the free wheeling hubs in if you dont think I can pull you out as I am, in 2wd, then get out the car, and make sure they see me putting the free wheeling hubs in.

Some of the big hills I take on needs 4wd, but im hangin to get some straun internal bead locks, then air down even lower than 5psi, an back to 2wd all time.

Gears would be the next thing to fit. will make a huge difference in the fun stakes.

david123 wrote:I have had that once, and then it was no drama, suzi so small, all i did was lift her out.

My play zone is pure sand, about 10 mile by 15, an im there all the time, only about 5 mile from me.

Lockers will help, if you get into a wheel lifted situation, but to use it for constant traction, in sand, no, hinders you, far better things to spend money on.

I use 2wd in sand, as I find 4wd makes me lil girl loose to much power, so 2 does the trick very well, better than every other 4wd I know, Im constantly pulling people out of a ditch, they look at my lil toy n some even say, what do you expect to do with that. This is when with great show, i say, well, I could put the free wheeling hubs in if you dont think I can pull you out as I am, in 2wd, then get out the car, and make sure they see me putting the free wheeling hubs in.

Some of the big hills I take on needs 4wd, but im hangin to get some straun internal bead locks, then air down even lower than 5psi, an back to 2wd all time.

You probably need gears then if it doesnt have the power to run 4wd in some instances, which then lockers would work.
In just open smooth dunes high speed i see lockers not being much on an advantage but if its beach tracks like robe/canunda areas lockers would be a bit of a help.

yea, she is due a refit, but finding the time.

When I do this, a radiator an gears are first up. Maybe a 1.6 baleno as well.

The dunes I play in are pretty sharp n full of razor backs, lots of fun.

skez wrote:

david123 wrote:I think it all depends on your driving zone, as in, mud, rock, sand whatever, because all things need different.

There is no such thing as the perfect all rounder, a rock crawler needs very low gears, a sand vehicle needs long legs, mud needs pure power to spin wheels and clean out the mud from the treads.

A locker in sand will hold you back badly.

whats your play.

this will determine your build type

false, lockers will make your car better in sand dont no wat u have been using to think that evan in 2wd with locker makes huge difference

locker only makes a difference when you are flexed out or bogged and opposite wheels are digging holes

redzook wrote:

skez wrote:

david123 wrote:I think it all depends on your driving zone, as in, mud, rock, sand whatever, because all things need different.

There is no such thing as the perfect all rounder, a rock crawler needs very low gears, a sand vehicle needs long legs, mud needs pure power to spin wheels and clean out the mud from the treads.

A locker in sand will hold you back badly.

whats your play.

this will determine your build type

false, lockers will make your car better in sand dont no wat u have been using to think that evan in 2wd with locker makes huge difference

locker only makes a difference when you are flexed out or bogged and opposite wheels are digging holes

& will stop a lot of track damage, following a hilux thru the beachport dunes with the air locker off & you can see the axle hopping, unloading & spinning a wheel creating the little offset whoops...which over time become big offset whoops.

flick the air locker on & you can see the difference it climbs effortlessly.

crispy wrote:

david123 wrote:stuff.......

You probably need gears then

I've given up on that one crispy. Let it go.

David 123 - I'm sure you're a complete master of sand, but very few of us spend our whole lives driving it so your advice isn't always very easy to relate to others, because it's so specific to what you drive.

I do understand the effect that a locker has in sand on turns - the inside tyre wants to turn faster than the car is traveling and will dig a bit, causing a loss of momentum, but on balance, lockers improve the performance of any car beyond belief off road., and I wouldn't give up a locker on the basis it was going to suck in sand, because I don't reckon they suck at all in sand, but that's jut my opinion - I don't drive it all the time.

4X4zook - Hilux diffs aren't, on balance, an improvement on a sierra.

The next step is whatever is going to work for the driving you do, but as you don't have lockers or gears, that's what you need. Next would be an EFI motor.

Steve.

redzook wrote:

skez wrote:

david123 wrote:I think it all depends on your driving zone, as in, mud, rock, sand whatever, because all things need different.

There is no such thing as the perfect all rounder, a rock crawler needs very low gears, a sand vehicle needs long legs, mud needs pure power to spin wheels and clean out the mud from the treads.

A locker in sand will hold you back badly.

whats your play.

this will determine your build type

false, lockers will make your car better in sand dont no wat u have been using to think that evan in 2wd with locker makes huge difference

locker only makes a difference when you are flexed out or bogged and opposite wheels are digging holes

are u serious its a loose surface the power eventually goes to one wheel on an open diff

Steve, you have convinced me I need to change my gearing, no dramas, but this will happen when I do a full refit.

i am not against in and out lockers, no way, welded diffs, sorry, no way.

I am so far near a master of sand, very very far from it, just love it is all, as basically, this is what I grew up on, from the kimberlys where I worked as a kid, soft boggy dry rivers that I had to follow, to the simson, sturts stoney desert, grey ranges, all same same, soft crap the without the wet, dry as.

There is a miraid of driving substances, mud, black soil, rock, and sand.

To say the very best thing to do is weld your diff, sorry, I cannot agree with that.

many say this, open, where I drive, every time, many other driving styles need different things, very low high rev etc, but not every time, welded diffs.

I have had both detroit and air lockers, never welded.

I could not imagine why a welded diff is good.

Gwagensteve wrote:

crispy wrote:

david123 wrote:stuff.......

You probably need gears then

I've given up on that one crispy. Let it go.

David 123 - I'm sure you're a complete master of sand, but very few of us spend our whole lives driving it so your advice isn't always very easy to relate to others, because it's so specific to what you drive.

I do understand the effect that a locker has in sand on turns - the inside tyre wants to turn faster than the car is traveling and will dig a bit, causing a loss of momentum, but on balance, lockers improve the performance of any car beyond belief off road., and I wouldn't give up a locker on the basis it was going to suck in sand, because I don't reckon they suck at all in sand, but that's jut my opinion - I don't drive it all the time.

4X4zook - Hilux diffs aren't, on balance, an improvement on a sierra.

The next step is whatever is going to work for the driving you do, but as you don't have lockers or gears, that's what you need. Next would be an EFI motor.

Steve.

back on topic and just to annoy grabt the vehicle setup is currently illegal in QLD anyway so be aware of that. You are already running the risk of the vehicle being pulled over.

Why do you think you need to do anything more? What is currently stopping you? I'd suggest doing a whole lot of maintenance etc, get the car sorted out with everything working properly. Then just drive it and enjoy it. Too many times people get the idea they need to go crazy with mods because it is the cool thing to do. So 12 months later the Suzuki is still in bits, they have done no 4wding and are sick of it.

Unless there are mods that you personally know will improve how you drive and the terrain you drive on asking a bunch of strangers on the internet seems like a pretty stupid idea to me.

Grimbo,

I agree mostly.

I do drive my lil toy, and have a huge time with her, she needs some better things, so, why not ask a bunch of strangers on the net, er, isnt this what sites like this are for.

When I first found this site, i was a suzi virgin, never had one before, asked a couple of questions, got blasted for doing as OME told me to do, coz i didn't ask here.

Now your saying, don't ask.

My lil girl is probably jail bait, in any state, but then, how many here, are truly perfect in every way.

I am asking for help, have, as most, a set mind, but that is not to say I cannot be persuaded to change with a well thought out and written argument.

isnt this what sites like this are for, many ideas from many, and one choses his own path to follow.

I want to do a full refit, and am asking here for ideas on what to do to make her better, from radiators, to suspension, gears, width all sorts.

I also want to upgrade my brakes, but that is another story, or question.