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g'day all just wondering if anyone has a tigerzII winch or heard much about them.I currently have a tmax 11000 and have had nothing but probs.They seem quite cheap and can be bought off hobzee's 4H.com.au for 795 for a 12000 with synthetic rope but i don't want to buy one soley for the cost. any info would be good

cheers

have only heard positive things about them. will be buying one myself in the very near future

I bought a 12.000 lb Tigerz winch a couple off months ago for my LWB Mav. Had to do four recoveries so far, two of them badly bogged and it hasn't let me down. I think, they are good value for money. Next time, I would go for a steel rope rather than plasma, but this is a different story.

Cheers
Joachim

simon from 4wdtv raves about them and apparently the guy that sells them is prepared to stand by his product and look after his customers

http://stores.ebay.com.au/Tigerz11-Winches-Accessories

search them on youtube, I'm pretty sure there is a demo on there

jasonw wrote:simon from 4wdtv raves about them and apparently the guy that sells them is prepared to stand by his product and look after his customers

http://stores.ebay.com.au/Tigerz11-Winches-Accessories

Yeah he put one on a GQ shorty last night on 4wd TV. He said he rates them.

Good luck.

[gubeaut] wrote:g'day all just wondering if anyone has a tigerzII winch or heard much about them.I currently have a tmax 11000 and have had nothing but probs.They seem quite cheap and can be bought off hobzee's 4H.com.au for 795 for a 12000 with synthetic rope but i don't want to buy one soley for the cost. any info would be good

cheers

Dude, i hate to be the one to ask, but did you search?? Clearly not.

Tigerz11 winches have been covered many times, and in general, people are pretty happy with them.

I havent bought a winch off Paul, but have bought a few accessories. His service is fantastic, and his prices are great.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic150 ... t=tigerz11

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic139 ... t=tigerz11

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic658 ... t=tigerz11

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic148 ... t=tigerz11

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic137 ... t=tigerz11

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic146 ... t=tigerz11

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic166 ... t=tigerz11

coxy
as time goes on more and more people buy these winches hence you get more feedback so threads that are 12 months old or even older are not really helpfull

ssfabricator wrote:coxy
as time goes on more and more people buy these winches hence you get more feedback so threads that are 12 months old or even older are not really helpfull

yeah i had searched but it was for that reason i asked cheers

ssfabricator wrote:coxy
as time goes on more and more people buy these winches hence you get more feedback so threads that are 12 months old or even older are not really helpfull

Not much has changed since those threads (i didn't check dates-just remembered them) - however, your point has been taken.

I was very surprised that his winches didn't make it into the latest 4WDA magazine winch comparo. Would have been good to see it stacked up against the $$$ ones.

gubeaut, if you havent already, have a read through those threads as there's some good info (and also a dummy spit) in there.

yeah i saw that.Some people get the shits if you don't agree with them.I am just cautious about winches because i bought my tmax because i was told by a (then) Tmax repairer who convinced me how good they are and in three yeays i have been through two motors 1 my fault (water) and five control boxes one of which wouldn't stop winching in and destroyed the motor, fairleads, the two top rods and ripped the wires apart which finally stopped it.I do appreciate the imput and the links.cheers

[gubeaut] wrote:yeah i saw that.Some people get the shits if you don't agree with them.I am just cautious about winches because i bought my tmax because i was told by a (then) Tmax repairer who convinced me how good they are and in three yeays i have been through two motors 1 my fault (water) and five control boxes one of which wouldn't stop winching in and destroyed the motor, fairleads, the two top rods and ripped the wires apart which finally stopped it.I do appreciate the imput and the links.cheers

On our new model winch we have a isolator switch on the control box to prevent accidental activation ,,and on the power cable we have a switch to prevent any power to the winch from the battery when you are not using it [ie monday to friday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wPg7-RZN6k

[gubeaut] wrote:yeah i saw that.Some people get the shits if you don't agree with them.I am just cautious about winches because i bought my tmax because i was told by a (then) Tmax repairer who convinced me how good they are and in three yeays i have been through two motors 1 my fault (water) and five control boxes one of which wouldn't stop winching in and destroyed the motor, fairleads, the two top rods and ripped the wires apart which finally stopped it.I do appreciate the imput and the links.cheers

This can happen with any winch, and imho tmax are a great winches but control boxes need to be kept clean.(on any winch)

i agree that the winch itself was/is pretty good.As for the control boxes YES it is true you need to keep them clean on all winches but when you installa brand newy and it craps itself putting the winch cable on and another time on the first hill and could only winch out, i have got reason to be p@#$*d off.and yes it was put in by a pro.Gets more frustrating when you have mates that plow through the same shit and haven't cleaned or checked them in 3 years.cheers tigerz11 i am pretty sure i will get one now just trying to find the best company to get it from

tigerz11 wrote:

[gubeaut] wrote:yeah i saw that.Some people get the shits if you don't agree with them.I am just cautious about winches because i bought my tmax because i was told by a (then) Tmax repairer who convinced me how good they are and in three yeays i have been through two motors 1 my fault (water) and five control boxes one of which wouldn't stop winching in and destroyed the motor, fairleads, the two top rods and ripped the wires apart which finally stopped it.I do appreciate the imput and the links.cheers

On our new model winch we have a isolator switch on the control box to prevent accidental activation ,,and on the power cable we have a switch to prevent any power to the winch from the battery when you are not using it [ie monday to friday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wPg7-RZN6k

Paul, how many amps are the isolator switches rated at? I'll be puting one on my winch, but haven't looked too much into which is the right one.

coxy321 wrote:

tigerz11 wrote:

[gubeaut] wrote:yeah i saw that.Some people get the shits if you don't agree with them.I am just cautious about winches because i bought my tmax because i was told by a (then) Tmax repairer who convinced me how good they are and in three yeays i have been through two motors 1 my fault (water) and five control boxes one of which wouldn't stop winching in and destroyed the motor, fairleads, the two top rods and ripped the wires apart which finally stopped it.I do appreciate the imput and the links.cheers

On our new model winch we have a isolator switch on the control box to prevent accidental activation ,,and on the power cable we have a switch to prevent any power to the winch from the battery when you are not using it [ie monday to friday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wPg7-RZN6k

Paul, how many amps are the isolator switches rated at? I'll be puting one on my winch, but haven't looked too much into which is the right one.

Watch these switches (in general - not specifically Tigerz). I have used several brands over the years on road and race cars - they all HATE water. I'm assuming this is the red plastic key type switch. I have tried reapiring and waterprofing only to have them fail again. I want one in my cct, but will be re-wiring to get it up and out of the way. Had to be snatched out last time cause the switch was nto working again.

Paul

Its ok. Paul has informed me that the isolators are integrated into the solenoid box - not separate units as i was picturing.

It is a pity that 4WDAction didn't put them in their winch comparision. I was really looking forward to it. Maybe next time?

JBE wrote: Next time, I would go for a steel rope rather than plasma, but this is a different story.

Can you elaborate any further? Its good to hear good reports with these winches, I don't really want to fork out big bucks for a Warn.

JBE wrote: Next time, I would go for a steel rope rather than plasma, but this is a different story.

chunks wrote:Can you elaborate any further? Its good to hear good reports with these winches, I don't really want to fork out big bucks for a Warn.

i run the tigerz11 synthetic rope on my highmount (6hp motor ect ect) and cant really fault it, its been used hard and still goes great. if its done a muddy trip i'll wash it... (mesh bag in washing machine)

about the only thing i dis like about it is that i bought the 30m then the next day they said they had 40 anf 50...

as for the solonoids..... thats a diffrent story. but all my issues have been sorted and a soloution was come by.. (not the best imho, but it will do)

Bump for TD LUX

fat496 wrote:Bump for TD LUX

Why?

Two reasons why I would decide against plasma:

- heat; I had a difficult recovery (on my own in the middle of nowhere) which pushed the winch to its limits and melted about 1m of the plasma rope to the drum. This might have been prevented by a heat cover, if it was in the right place.
- cuts and abrasion; a plasma rope needs to be protected from sharp rock edges (one example only).

So, IMHO it requires more attention when used and is not as tolerant to abuse as a steel cable. I'd rather go with something that can cop a fair bit of abuse when you have no other choice and you absolutely have to rely on it. I also find it a bit annoying that you have to spool plasma at 30 degrees angle if not under load to prevent side loads on the drum.

Don't get me wrong, that's only from my own experience and the plasma rope has done its job so far. Other people might come to different conclusions.

Cheers
J

I'm assuming that was with a low-mount jbe? Must've been bloody hot to melt it. I'm also guessing that your heat sheath had slipped along from the end of the plasma line too?

Correct, it's a 12,000lb low mount and the heat sheath wasn't in the right position. That's how it came out of the box and it was the first time, I had to use it in anger. I doubt that it is long enough to prevent the rope completely in a similar situation. As I said, there are a couple of situations where you can damage the rope very easily and if you don't have a spare, or know how to re-spline it, you're stuffed. I learned to unspool the rope completely and check it before every trip now.

JBE wrote:Correct, it's a 12,000lb low mount and the heat sheath wasn't in the right position. That's how it came out of the box and it was the first time, I had to use it in anger. I doubt that it is long enough to prevent the rope completely in a similar situation. As I said, there are a couple of situations where you can damage the rope very easily and if you don't have a spare, or know how to re-spline it, you're stuffed. I learned to unspool the rope completely and check it before every trip now.

Yeah, i don't actually leave my rope on - i'm worried some asshat is going to steal it. Did you unspool then re-spool under load before you used it for the first time?

No, I didn't. I learned about this later. These days, I spool the rope on the drum at an angle (30 degrees) from the second layer onwards to prevent the rope from slipping down a layer or two. I also use a return pulley wherever I can. At the time, I had no choice. The nearest tree was about 30m away.

What frustrated me was that the heat protector was at the hook end of the rope when I unpacked it and I thought that it was some sort of abrasion protection.

These winches do get hot and I've seen rope melted to the drum on two now.
However, I think they are a good product and mine hasn't let me down so far.

I had two sheaths on mine. A webbed fibre type at the drum end, and a plastic (like heat shrink) one at the hook end.

JBE wrote:No, I didn't. I learned about this later. These days, I spool the rope on the drum at an angle (30 degrees) from the second layer onwards to prevent the rope from slipping down a layer or two. I also use a return pulley wherever I can. At the time, I had no choice. The nearest tree was about 30m away.

What frustrated me was that the heat protector was at the hook end of the rope when I unpacked it and I thought that it was some sort of abrasion protection.

These winches do get hot and I've seen rope melted to the drum on two now.
However, I think they are a good product and mine hasn't let me down so far.

I had a winch burn out in a big way about 4 years ago and i also had my heat sheild in the wrong spot.. it melted the rope....

4 Years later i am still using the same rope and i wouldnt say ive looked after it very well (my bad) and its still going strong, been the best stuff i have ever used, once mine is stuffed i will definatly get more.. nothing worse than splinters off wire cable.. its heavy and u can only fit 30m on a drum....

lucky u had rope when u winched off that tree otherwise u would of been a tad short?

Fair enough, still sounds like a decent product especially for the price!