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hey guys, looking at installling a winch onto my 94 sierra. Dont want anything fancy, as it is just a fun car. Need to know what to look for, and also need to know how to mount to bumper..

Thanks

andy1517 wrote:hey guys, looking at installling a winch onto my 94 sierra. Dont want anything fancy, as it is just a fun car. Need to know what to look for, and also need to know how to mount to bumper..

Thanks

don't mount it to your bumper cos that's just silly.
get a winch bar and mount it properly.

6000lbs is a perfect size for a zook

ARB bar, 6000lb warn.

Steve.

Have a look at the tmax or iron man winches on ebay.
Will be cheaper then then a warn winch, and you can get something more powerful for less.
They do come with a good warranty too.

6000lb premier $899 good quality winch

i have a modified bar mounted to the chassis on my zook. This should hold the winch... Do the 6000lb winches require any modification to your battery? or will they hoook up?

best to get a second battery, the zook ones are tiny.

any pics of your bar?

never hook your winch to the second battery if it has an isolator. allways to the first (decent size) and maybe upgrade the alternator.

I have a few questions, whats everyones opinions on the weight and power use of a winch?

A warn M6000 is 34kgs (with wire rope I imagine) compard to the tigerz11 12000lb @ 23kgs with synthetic rope.

The other thing is the tigerz only draws 231amps compared to 465amps from the warn at 6000lb (I imagine this is due to the tigerz only being at half load at 6000lb) wouldn't this be alot better in a suzuki with small battery/alternator?

I havn't priced a warn but I image it is more expensive than the tigerz ($799 with synthetic rope)

For a winch that isn't used too often wouldn't the tigerz be a better option, or am I forgeting something?

Will the standard bullbar mounting points (very front of the chassis) handle a double line pull (or single line 12000lb) from a 6000lb winch?

Why on earth does the second battery thing persist?

Seriously, if you're winching with any load you need a decent alternator. Winching will ALWAYS flatten the battery. Adding another 15kg of battery, isolator/management etc (probably the most unreliable thing you'll ever add to the car) just adds more weight to the possibly dubious idea of putting an electric winch on a sierra in the first place.

A winch requires a decent battery - (I would choose an optima) and upgrade to a 100A/110A alternator, or better.

This will be lighter, more useful and more reliable than a dual battery setup, especially with a stock alternator.

People quote the "what if my engines not running and I need to winch out of water etc example. That's the reason you need to go driving with another car, not another battery. If a second battery is the difference between you and safety, you're cutting it too fine.


Jaffa- compare the speed at load for the winches. This is where the 6000 warn rules - it's very fast at light load. That's a very good thing.

I believe most of the chinese winches are geared very low so they do big numbers, but not speed.

Think about it this way. The Tigerz winch is lighter and consumes almost 1/2 the power - that doesn't mean it's twice as efficient - if it's using 1/2 the watts to pull twice the load, that means it's 4 times slower for the same load.

Think about it like a car. If a 2000kg car uses 100Kw to drive up a hill at 100km/h, a 4000kg car with 50Kw is going to be going up the same hill at 25km/h.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Tigerz product, but I'd run a 6000 Warn on a sierra, if I could justify a winch, which I can't.

Steve.

I think I understand what your saying steve, in very broad terms do you mean that the tigerz might draw less power but will be running for a longer ammount of time (because of it slower line speed) so therfor actually using more power over the same winching distance?

No, odds are the slower winch will use the same total Kw/hr, ignoring small differences in gear and brake efficiency etc.

However, most winching is done at fairly light load, so a really slow winch is a pain because you're often on the edge of driving. If the winch free spools much slower than say 1500rpm in 1st low, you're going to be driving over the cable. That's bad.

At light load, the 6000 always used to be warns fastest winch. (yes, really, even faster than an 8274)

I'm sure that's not necessarily the case, but I still vote a 6000 warn is the perfect suzuki winch, far better than anything slower with more lb rating.

Steve.

I always heard you need bigger winches like 9000 or 12000, on Sierras, because Sierras never get stuck, so 90% of winching on a Sierra is pulling someone else out!

Rough pricing on a new M6000 is around $1500-1600. Almost double the price for now where near double the performance.

For the average punter a Tigerz/Ironman would do the job quite nicely.

I can fit a 550cca exide extreme battery in my stock WT 1.3L battery tray. Combined with a 100amp ford alternator I never had any issues with charge running a Magnum 9000lb winch. Geared at 216:1, even lower than a tigerz I have managed on numerous occasions to recover LWB patrols from what I've just driven through

mate i've just got a 3000 pound shitty ebay special on mine and cut the cross bar in front of the radiator out and stuck it to the top of the bar , proberly not the best as for the winch she's a loud heapa shit but i only paid $200 for the car so i sure as hell ain't gunna spend much on it , i've used it about 4 times now and once was a chassis drag and it did the job

cheers damo