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Hi All,
I would like to mount a high mount winch in the tray of a dual cab comp GU and carry the line to the front of the truck.
I can mount it at chassis height and to the left to keep the line fairly straight but the plasma will still need to change angle through a couple of 50mm tubes to get to the front ( 1 x 15, 1 x 5, and 1 x 5 degree bends approx.)
The main reason for fitting it to the rear is to get the weight back and not drive it through water and mud as much.
Will these changes of angles put too much strain on the plasma?
With about 600mm to the first guide (pipe) will this allow the plasma to spool onto the drum properly or will it all bunch up in the centre ?
Not to be rude but I am only chasing facts, but thoughtful suggestions would be good!
Thanks for all help.

im no guru here but wont that put extra strain on your winch, and increase chances of the rope breaking?

its been done by a few people. still being used by alot too.

600mm should be fine.... SHOULD be fine, it may bunch but it i most likely to bunch to one side. 600 is a fair distance though if it is a standard drum. widened you may run into problems.

i recommend using eyelets/100mm runs of tube as its alot easier to thread a broken rope back through than a solid piece front to back.

Cookie_monsta, that was one of my concerns but I hoped by keeping the line of travel as straight as possible it would help.
I was intending to use short lengths (600mm) but you raise a good point there chunderlicious, 100mm lengths will be easier to thread. Maybe if I did them in 200-400mm it may spread the load of the rope and still be easy to thread when we need to. Yes, at this stage it is a standard drum and it will have freespool.
It will put extra load on equipment, but has any one had a detailed look at how much extra strain it does put on the gear?
Good points, thanks for the input.

I had a similar idea to mount a winch facing rearwards and run the line rearward to a snatch block then forward from it to the front. My plan was to be able to attach the hook at the front and spool the snatch block out the rear allowing rearward winching. By my calculations it should be a double line pull both ways therefore halving the load on the winch.

SHANE055 wrote:I had a similar idea to mount a winch facing rearwards and run the line rearward to a snatch block then forward from it to the front. My plan was to be able to attach the hook at the front and spool the snatch block out the rear allowing rearward winching. By my calculations it should be a double line pull both ways therefore halving the load on the winch.

i thought the force on the mass, was only halved if there was equal rope length on each side, so if your block was right at the start, then the force wouldnt be halved

I'm not sure but when you lock the hook off at the front and spool the snatch block out the rear it would be fairly close to equal, I forgot to mention before that I was going to mount the winch behind the cab, so about half way along the ute which, if you are right about it not halving the load, would still mean it would decrease the load by an amount proportionate to how much rope you have out so the closer the anchor point the lower the load on your winch.
Also I think if you were to run the rope through the pipes it would be a good idea to flare the ends of the pipe.

The only problem with this in our situation is we need to maintain line speed especially in a forward direction but if it is non comp work then it is a great idea.

SHANE055 wrote:I had a similar idea to mount a winch facing rearwards and run the line rearward to a snatch block then forward from it to the front. My plan was to be able to attach the hook at the front and spool the snatch block out the rear allowing rearward winching. By my calculations it should be a double line pull both ways therefore halving the load on the winch.

if the snatch block is just being used to change the direction of the pull it wont be a double line pull, it will make no difference to the load or speed

80's_delirious wrote:

SHANE055 wrote:I had a similar idea to mount a winch facing rearwards and run the line rearward to a snatch block then forward from it to the front. My plan was to be able to attach the hook at the front and spool the snatch block out the rear allowing rearward winching. By my calculations it should be a double line pull both ways therefore halving the load on the winch.

if the snatch block is just being used to change the direction of the pull it wont be a double line pull, it will make no difference to the load or speed

x2 it dosen't matter if the line goes straight to the tree or you use a block you are still only doing a single line pull forward and therefore running it to a block on the rear of the tray then out the front makes no difference in speed.as for the double line pull out the back being that the front is half the car length away won't make any difference either in that it is fixed whether it is in line or behind the winch as it is equal lengths until it reaches a level line with the winch.Looking at doing this myself just trying to figure out were to run the rope through when running it forward to keep it as straight as possible.I know on kym boltons winch truck he had eyelets and a few short tube lengths.and i'm with chunderlicious in that 600mm should be allright if it is wound on right in the first place it looks like mine will be around 900mm so i would be keen to here how you go.

We will be setting it up in the next month or so as we build the tray.
The other reason for me hesitating to run the winch back through a pulley then forward is that extra 'point' permanently running that something can go wrong with, we are considering another option that can be changed fairly quickly when we need to rear winch but will have to see how it fits with the tray.
That's the beauty of a single cab, you have heaps more room for the winch position, with the dual cab we are working with a fairly restricted area.

to true the only issue i have is where to run the line through.good luck with it all and keep us posted on your build
cheers, Deon