Outer Limits 4x4 Board

mate just got his new rally 4000 HID spotties not long ago. loved them when he turned them on so my turn to have a set now.

im just wondering wats the best options people runing with HID, cuase i noticed his pencil is just a waste as it just a pencil down the road which the eye's cant see that far anyway but his spread is just perfict. is this becuase of his kit he got or are all HID spotties like this with a spread+pencil set up.

im thinking of getting 2 spreads with a HID kit but thought i would check what other people are runing.

A combo (1 x spread and 1 x pencil) is most popular among our customers.

I prefer 2 x spread. the rallye 4000 spreads still go a long way. this is light you can use.

i used to have 2 x pencil rallye 4000 and the side of the road was dark and i was always chasing a ball of light on the horizon. also, if you are misaligned by a poofteenth the pencil will not be where you want it and I was always adjusting - i became obsessed by it.

but you are at least onto the right brand.

i agree with a combo.

i have two spreads on at the moment and i will be changing to a pencil/spread combo.

I'd say two spreads..

I've got a combo using Cibie Super Oscars, and there's a ball of light on the horizon from the spot. I'd much prefer to light up the 500m in front of me better.

I've got a pair of crappy old Narvas with HID, spot/spread pair.
Th spread puts more light down the road than the pre-HID spot, I'd probably prefer a pair of spreads.
The spot is great when you're on a long straight bit of road, but a bit pointless most of the time.

thanks for the replies guys,

im gona head out wit me mate and stand in front of the lights and compare the difference between pencil and spread, iam in the process of buying some rally 4000's just gota decide two spreads or combo, find out soon with me mates set up.

also looked on ebay for some kits and dont know which one is the good one, anyone point me in the right direction?

Kingston_99 wrote:
also looked on ebay for some kits and dont know which one is the good one, anyone point me in the right direction?

Of course I'm going to say my kit it the best. We looked what was the cheapest set of new Rallye 4000 and what was the cheapest HID kit and there was our kit price. But add to that we powder coat the Rallye rings and we use the best HID kits we can buy and offer a local warranty. That's gotta be hard to beat.

http://neuralfibre.com/paul/4wd/ebay-ch ... 0-review-2

Here's mine.

The spread with a 100W in it was crap. I align lights with towels over the other lights, and couldn't tell the diff when I put a towel over the spread.

The spot is is too hot in the centre - it's not an "even" spot. HID made no diff to the pattern.

I'm not happy with 2 spots, and never tried HID + spread.

Paul

i can't tell you which way to jump because i'm a bit spoilt with two of each. But i would probably go with a combo. I've found that while the spot does tend to light up the horizon too far away to see, it tends to reflect back the cat's eyes on road better than the spreads (my spreads and spots are on different switches and can be turned on independantly). Even on windy roads it means that while i can't see round the corner, at least i know the corner is coming up because i can see a line of cat's eyes disappearing round the bend. This way i can better set up the car for the turn and be more prepared.

the spots are wayyy better at illuminating potential hoppy's on the side of the road.

So Hobzee, do you do upgrade kits for existing Rallye 4000 spotties or only new 4000's with the upgrades already done. I've got 3 x 4000 pencil beams but would consider a 2 x pencil & 1 x spread combination HID setup if it were possible.

Are the upgrades comparable with the Predator HID's? I noticed that there is now a "high boost" version of the Predator lights.

In any spotlight form I think that dual spots are just for guys who like admiring their pencil (beam) length.

Unless you're on the Nullabor they're pretty useless. I prefer two spreads so you can see either side of the road as well. I'd rather see the kangaroo off the side 100m ahead, rather than the one on the road a km away (if the road is perfectly straight)

NQCalais wrote:So Hobzee, do you do upgrade kits for existing Rallye 4000 spotties or only new 4000's with the upgrades already done. I've got 3 x 4000 pencil beams but would consider a 2 x pencil & 1 x spread combination HID setup if it were possible.

Are the upgrades comparable with the Predator HID's? I noticed that there is now a "high boost" version of the Predator lights.

Yes we can help with this.

The upgrade kit is $195 pr (assumes 55W H1 6000K)

The Rallye 4000 inserts in either pencil or spread are $140 ea

We already have customers sending their old lights in and we set them up and do what they want to them and after a new lense and some powder coating they are better than new.

These are 55W and I think that's what the "high boost" is but I am not sure. The old predators were only 35W.

Hope this helps

Just to clarify. The new high boost predators and the predators in general run a different reflector and a different lense to the std ralley 4000's. They have differen part no's and are designed to give a far superior light output. The high boost predators will run a 42w internal ballast as opposed to the 35w external ballast on the std predators. The predators run a ds1 or ds2 globe (instead of the std H1).
(We have just become an authorized Hella dealer with full Hella training and product info on hand)
cheers
Steve

on4tou wrote:Just to clarify. The new high boost predators and the predators in general run a different reflector and a different lense to the std ralley 4000's. They have differen part no's and are designed to give a far superior light output. The high boost predators will run a 42w internal ballast as opposed to the 35w external ballast on the std predators. The predators run a ds1 or ds2 globe (instead of the std H1).
(We have just become an authorized Hella dealer with full Hella training and product info on hand)
cheers
Steve

Whats a pair of the new high output predators worth?

I have a pair of Rallye 4000's with pencil beams.

Either Hobzee, or On42U (or anyone else)

I would like to make these more useful either with a Euro Beam, or a wider more even spot with no less of a "hot spot" in the middle.

That said, when I had the spread beam w/ a 100w halogen, I couldn't see it did any better than the OEM toyota lights (over under - early 105 Cruiser w/ fresnel lens)

I would go back to a pair of spreads, if I could get enough penetration out of it.

I also find that my (probably mislabelled) 4000K lights are fatiguing on the eye's after a long night drive. Whilst not purple or blue, in comparison to the HIR and stock globes, they are very stark and leave strong shadows that you can't see into.
I would look for a yellower light personally.

So - after that load - any suggestions to get a nice, deep, bright, yellow spread light?

The best I have ever driven with was the old set on the rally car - 4 x Narva Big Bull's w/ 100w H3's. 2 spread, 2 spot, wonderful pattern, no hot spots. Just the size is a killer for on road use.
The second best where some 1/2 hemisphere Hella's that ran a set of sealed beam GE bulbs with a clear lens - again - great pattern, good spot. They where marked 14v "aircraft" on the back of the bulb :)

Paul

Whats a pair of the new high output predators worth?
not cheap about $1350 each with 3year warrant and are 4500k which have about 12% more light then a 6000k globe
steve

I prefer the spread + spread combination and i have run them with a few different brands of lights but now im using the lightforce 240blitz

maverick01 wrote:I prefer the spread + spread combination and i have run them with a few different brands of lights but now im using the lightforce 240blitz

how do the 240's go?
thats the spotties i got ATM, gettin rid of them but cuase they shake around to much on dirt roads.

-Nemesis- wrote:In any spotlight form I think that dual spots are just for guys who like admiring their pencil (beam) length.

Unless you're on the Nullabor they're pretty useless. I prefer two spreads so you can see either side of the road as well. I'd rather see the kangaroo off the side 100m ahead, rather than the one on the road a km away (if the road is perfectly straight)

Well a lot of the driving I do is out in northern and central QLD and can be at all hours of the day and night. Originally I had 2 x spots and would have them aimed up the table drain on the side of the road looking for roos and cattle. But it left a dark spot in the middle of the road, so I put on a 3rd spot to fill this in. Maybe I could have done it with a spread but I wanted the distance as well as the coverage.

I like my current setup, but will be putting these lights back on to one of my personal vehicles (HJ60) and moving from my V8 100 Series work truck to a new 200 Series V8 Diesel soon and am looking at options for that. From what has been mentioned here so far, I could just have a spread and a spot in HID and get a pretty good result.

NQCalais wrote: so I put on a 3rd spot to fill this in.

FYI: Headlights must be in pairs or illegal.

Paul

me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:

NQCalais wrote: so I put on a 3rd spot to fill this in.

FYI: Headlights must be in pairs or illegal.

Paul

So I've been told, but never been pulled over or chipped for having them in this setup. Been running them this way for about 5 years now. Seem to be seeing a few more setups like it around now too.

I know this doesn't make it any less "illegal", but so far no problems.

AFAIK auxillary/driving lights are supposed to mounted symetrically, so a pair mounted evenly apart or a single light, mounted in the middle.

Bit of info here, but nothing specific

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resourc ... hicles.pdf

Good find for the link thanks.

A few years ago a copper waved me over so a RTA inspector could look over my 40. Specifically the 2 Cibies on top of the bullbar. I had followed all rules i could find when putting them there, and had them there for 5 years or more without issue. RTA guy was nice enough, but explained that it was illegal and suggested i put them on the roof instead. I asked why it was illegal, and he couldnt say, only that the people who make the rules know whats best. Ive never found that particular rule, and i guess i never will.

What it comes down to is luck and the care-factor/knowledge of the person inspecting you. Of course western/northern QLD had different rules to the southeast too. Just to confuse things.

on4tou wrote:Just to clarify. The new high boost predators and the predators in general run a different reflector and a different lense to the std ralley 4000's. They have differen part no's and are designed to give a far superior light output. The high boost predators will run a 42w internal ballast as opposed to the 35w external ballast on the std predators. The predators run a ds1 or ds2 globe (instead of the std H1).
(We have just become an authorized Hella dealer with full Hella training and product info on hand)
cheers
Steve

does the reflector from a predator fit in a standard 4000 and if it does have you tried it out with a H1 lamp?

Phippsy, Interesting read that link.
It does mention 'PAIRS' of driving lights mounted symetrically, not a single light so that might be a point to check.
What was very interesting is it mentions that you can have an additional two pairs of driving lights fitted. In Vic you can only have a maximum of three pairs of lights opperating on high beam, which means if you have a four headlight vehicle (80series for instance) you can only have one pair of driving lights fitted by law.
Vic requirements also state that the lights must be mounted symetrically, but it also states they must be mounted in pairs.
The question would have to be asked, what would happen if you drove your vehicle to VIC and got pulled over for too many lights or mounted differently to VIC's regs??

does the reflector from a predator fit in a standard 4000 and if it does have you tried it out with a H1 lamp.

yes the reflector will fit but the H1 globe will not fit it you need the ds1 globe
I just did a bulk buy with Hella onthe rallye 4000 and are selling them for $640 with 55w hid kit fitted now that is cheap or $450 a pair with out HID
steve