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Hey, anyone out there running a z9 oil filter on their TB42S? I am, no probs so far. 1/3 of the price of the std item and double the size, thought it was good maths, Just wondered if anyone else was and if they had any dramas?

Cheers
Tom

should be fine mate i do the same on my TD42 i use 2 z9's without problems and have been running them for years

Yep - I do the same they work fine. I actually get better oil pressure at idle too!

Why wouldnt you just use the Z115 which is actually listed for it?

mkpatrol wrote:Why wouldnt you just use the Z115 which is actually listed for it?

z9 is cheaper
z9 is bigger which means better filtration.

JEs

jessie928 wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:Why wouldnt you just use the Z115 which is actually listed for it?

z9 is cheaper
z9 is bigger which means better filtration.

JEs

Kinda like it said in my original post, thanks JEs

jessie928 wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:Why wouldnt you just use the Z115 which is actually listed for it?

z9 is cheaper
z9 is bigger which means better filtration.

JEs

Have you actually looked at a Z115? It is the same filter dimensions, different drain valve & thread

Also the sise of the filter doenst mean anything when it comes to filtration. There was an extremely good thread on this very topic a couple of years ago from guys who actually tested these things.

The Z9 was originally designed to be used at a 45 degree angle on Falcons, it originally didnt have an anti drain valve years ago as it didnt need to.

How do you go with the thread? You must have to force it on as they were never interchangeable once apon a time.

To buy a Z9 because it is a few bucks cheaper than a Z115 is being a mega tight arse.

Clarification: I am only talking Ryco here, not any other sort of cheapo crap that is sold around the traps.

I just had a look at the Ryco website & it seems the threds are the same now on these two filters, other dimandions are identical but they dont give spacs for the internals other than their generic blurb.

The other thing, be careful for warranty. No where does it say that a Z9 is interchangeable with a Z115 in the 06/07 Catalogue.

If you had a failure & they checked the listing then they would probably baulk at a warranty payout if you were using the filter against the fitment recommendations.

mkpatrol wrote:I just had a look at the Ryco website & it seems the threds are the same now on these two filters, other dimandions are identical but they dont give spacs for the internals other than their generic blurb.

The other thing, be careful for warranty. No where does it say that a Z9 is interchangeable with a Z115 in the 06/07 Catalogue.

If you had a failure & they checked the listing then they would probably baulk at a warranty payout if you were using the filter against the fitment recommendations.

so what your saying is the Z9 had a different thread before????

Jes

mkpatrol wrote:Also the sise of the filter doenst mean anything when it comes to filtration. .

thats what I was thinking.

bogged wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:Also the sise of the filter doenst mean anything when it comes to filtration. .

thats what I was thinking.

so your saying surface area doesent matter?

Jes

mkpatrol wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:Why wouldnt you just use the Z115 which is actually listed for it?

z9 is cheaper
z9 is bigger which means better filtration.

JEs

Have you actually looked at a Z115? It is the same filter dimensions, different drain valve & thread

Have YOU? The Z9 is twice about twice the size, yeah i did check the thread and they are both 3/4 as they have ALWAYS been, and the oil seal ring dimensions are very similar. It ok mate, you go hide behind ya parts listing catalog (and practice your reading coz its obviously not up to scratch) and leave the real world stuff to us. And as for warranty I dunno if my 20 year old TB42 carby fed donk is still covered, but I'll hit Nissan up anyway if it all goes to shit, see how i go ay

jessie928 wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:I just had a look at the Ryco website & it seems the threds are the same now on these two filters, other dimandions are identical but they dont give spacs for the internals other than their generic blurb.

The other thing, be careful for warranty. No where does it say that a Z9 is interchangeable with a Z115 in the 06/07 Catalogue.

If you had a failure & they checked the listing then they would probably baulk at a warranty payout if you were using the filter against the fitment recommendations.

so what your saying is the Z9 had a different thread before????

Jes

No the Z115, I accidentally tried to fit one to a Falcon once (in a hangoverly foggy day during my apprenticeship). Couldnt work out for the life of me why the bugger wouldnt screw on. It was an XF & the AC bracket used to get in the way of the filter.

Anyway I lowered my hand & actually had a look at the filter & realised it as not a Z9

Got a Z9 & away she went.

TomSeth wrote:supid crap

Direct form the Ryco website:

Part: Z9
Type Oil Filter
End Material
Height Overall 142mm
Inside Diameter Top
Inside Diameter Bottom
Outside Diameter Top
Outside Diameter Bottom
Seam Diameter 94mm
Seal Diameter 70mm
Thread 3/4-16-UNF-2B


Part: Z115
Type Oil Filter
End Material
Height Overall 142mm
Inside Diameter Top
Inside Diameter Bottom
Outside Diameter Top
Outside Diameter Bottom
Seam Diameter 94mm
Seal Diameter 70mm
Thread 3/4-16-UNF-2B


So Tom, if your Z9 spat the seal the day after you put it on your TB42 you wouldnt try to get any compensation from Ryco?

Word of advice Tom, before you speak, think, some of us on the other end of the keyboard might actually know what we are talking about. At least i used the relevant manufacturers specs to back up my point.

Farkwit

Y the hell do you keep telling me my filter is a z115 when its a z170! Look it up on your parts website.


http://www.rycofilters.com.au/catalogue ... on/part/Z9

theres ya z9 specs

http://www.rycofilters.com.au/catalogue ... /part/Z170

theres the z170 specs which come on a TB42 which for MY vehicle which i have been asking for the whole time not the diesel TD42, READ and READ WELL, see the different between TB and TD!

Feel stupid yet?

Z115 & Z170 are interchangeable

Z170 is for vehicles with limited clearance around the filter itself.

720 utes for instance with the L18 engine V the 180B. Same engine specs, just different clearances.

mkpatrol wrote:Z115 & Z170 are interchangeable

Z170 is for vehicles with limited clearance around the filter itself.

720 utes for instance with the L18 engine V the 180B. Same engine specs, just different clearances.

well why don't you go and type patrol nissan patrol GQ into the ryco page and see what it recommends which is Z170, and where does it say that it's interchangable? I'm sure you'll say something like oh the book in my "workshop", says so or the voices in my head told me so. Then ya could stop hijacking this thread with petty bullshit , you kinda missed the whole point of this post.

as for the anti drainback valves id also be interested to see what the filters in both cases filtering abilites are as per microns... they are surely to be different , in the case of surface area yes bigger is better as for you can filter more particiles , but if your letting bigger particles thru and have a bigger surface area are you really doing any good?... Genuine filters recomended oil and regular service intervals.... good medicine to keep an engine at its peak... might cost more but how much does it cost for an engine (cough cough unless you own a v6 commodore engine) dont change the oil a new motor is only like 300 bucks =]

IN24BZ wrote:as for the anti drainback valves id also be interested to see what the filters in both cases filtering abilites are as per microns... they are surely to be different , in the case of surface area yes bigger is better as for you can filter more particiles , but if your letting bigger particles thru and have a bigger surface area are you really doing any good?... Genuine filters recomended oil and regular service intervals.... good medicine to keep an engine at its peak... might cost more but how much does it cost for an engine (cough cough unless you own a v6 commodore engine) dont change the oil a new motor is only like 300 bucks =]

if its good enough for my ba turbo falcon its good enough for my old 42 carb that gets changed every 5000km's

TomSeth wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:Z115 & Z170 are interchangeable

Z170 is for vehicles with limited clearance around the filter itself.

720 utes for instance with the L18 engine V the 180B. Same engine specs, just different clearances.

well why don't you go and type patrol nissan patrol GQ into the ryco page and see what it recommends which is Z170, and where does it say that it's interchangable? I'm sure you'll say something like oh the book in my "workshop", says so or the voices in my head told me so. Then ya could stop hijacking this thread with petty bullshit , you kinda missed the whole point of this post.

MMM, you asked for advice/info, I gave some info (as I look back on the thread the only mistake I may have made was not quoting Insane in my OP).

You then became an insulting tool which is a nice way to treat someone who was originally trying to help. For which I gave you a spray, well deserved too.

It is a free country & what I have stated is actually relevent to the thread wether you liked it or not.

I have not gone off topic.

When you are a mod you can then stop me posting in this thread, until then

mkpatrol wrote:

TomSeth wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:Z115 & Z170 are interchangeable

Z170 is for vehicles with limited clearance around the filter itself.

720 utes for instance with the L18 engine V the 180B. Same engine specs, just different clearances.

MMM, you asked for advice/info, I gave some info (as I look back on the thread the only mistake I may have made was not quoting Insane in my OP).

You then became an insulting tool which is a nice way to treat someone who was originally trying to help. For which I gave you a spray, well deserved too.

It is a free country & what I have stated is actually relevent to the thread wether you liked it or not.

I have not gone off topic.

When you are a mod you can then stop me posting in this thread, until then

Ok cool so I think your a tool, You think I'm a tool, The way you typed your first reply was kinda condesending, so your a mechanic, big whoop your not the only one here, thanks for for stuffing a innocent thread,. thanks everyone else who had sensible replys.

My pleasure

IN24BZ wrote:as for the anti drainback valves id also be interested to see what the filters in both cases filtering abilites are as per microns... they are surely to be different , in the case of surface area yes bigger is better as for you can filter more particiles , but if your letting bigger particles thru and have a bigger surface area are you really doing any good?... Genuine filters recomended oil and regular service intervals.... good medicine to keep an engine at its peak... might cost more but how much does it cost for an engine (cough cough unless you own a v6 commodore engine) dont change the oil a new motor is only like 300 bucks =]

I was actually trying to find this sort of info regarding the Z9 but of the few webites that I looked at this sort detailed info was not availiable.

When I worked in the aircraft industry this sort of info was freely availiable but the motor industry suppliers seem more interested on marketing the stuff rather than the actual technical info.

I will keep looking and try to find some more info.

if its good enough for my ba turbo falcon its good enough for my old 42 carb that gets changed every 5000km's

thats a fair call , all the sixes use the same filter until bf when it went from afl 1mc to afl 101mc in standard motorcraft speak...as you would probably already know anyhow.... (ex ford factory trained tech) now work for the nissan darkside =]

I think you all got to much bloody time on your hands , get out and drive it and enjoy it !! lighten the f$%&K up lol

IN24BZ wrote:if its good enough for my ba turbo falcon its good enough for my old 42 carb that gets changed every 5000km's

thats a fair call , all the sixes use the same filter until bf when it went from afl 1mc to afl 101mc in standard motorcraft speak...as you would probably already know anyhow.... (ex ford factory trained tech) now work for the nissan darkside =]

at last some sense nothing wrong working for nissan mate.

the_fatman wrote:I think you all got to much bloody time on your hands , get out and drive it and enjoy it !! lighten the f$%&K up lol

hell yeah going wheeling this weekend, cant wait!

Sorry to drag up old shit but this thread had me going so much that I actually contacted Ryco for thier advice & this is what i recieved (discliamer: I have changed the names for privacy reasons):

Hi Mr Ryco Rep,

Thanks for the info. I should have said that I did look at the dimensions & thread sizes. I was just wondering about the interchange ability of the filters. Would there be any repercussions if I used a Z9 in the place of a Z115 or Z170 seeing as it is cheaper,

MK.

From: Mr Ryco Rep
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 4:29 PM

Subject: RE: Ryco Filters

Hi MK
The Z9 oil filter has an Anti-Drain Back valve and Relief valve.
The Z115 and Z170 oil filters only have an Anti-Drain Back valve.
The thread size for the three filter is 3/4 x 16 UNF, and all have 70mm seal.

Regards
Mr Ryco Rep

My original question:

Am I able to find out the internal differences between a Z9, Z115 & Z170?

I have not recieved a responce to my last question.

Make of it what you will but with regards to the Z115/Z170 interchangeability, it has been listed in past catalogues as interchageable. I dont have a copy to show as it was longer than 10 years ago (which was more relevent then that it is today) & if I reallly dug I would find it. Also re-affirms what I said about them actually not willing to give anything away but rather them give you their marketing guff.

Anyway, I will be sticking with the listed filter for my vehicle

Well my 2c is that if its not recommended by a parts catalogue or the manufacturer (Nissan) it don't get used.

The ones that are recommended are designed to meet the manafactures requirements, just cause it fits doesn't mean it filters out to the level the engine requires.

Unless its proven to filter better, make the engine last longer and in recommended for it by credible people, not going on this little black ducks engine

It might be interesting to find out from other filter manufacturers what they recommend.

reason being is that my old man used to own a Walker zero turn ride-on mower, the engine was a V-twin EFI with a full pressure filterd oil system,
the listing for the filter was the Z79A what we found though was that only the ryco Z79A filter would fit, the valvoline and the purolator equivalent filters woudl screw on but not seal.