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im just about finnished my turbo gas research set up and i think my piranha ignition has shoit itself just wanted some feed back on ignitions iv been searching forever and cant seam to get anywere, how would the petronix 2 with a procomp pc-91 high output coil go?

Speak to Performance Ignition Services in Nunawading, especialy since you've got it turboed.

never buy any performance part with PROCOMP on the side if it.

since you're gas turbo. google search for megajolt ignition.

it's a multi coil waste spark setup based on the ford EDIS unit. there kit can be fitted to any engine and are a very good price

mate you dont have to go that extreme, have you got your dissy recurved to suit? i gather you do, if you do a crane cams hi6 spark enhancer piggybacked off a petronix ignitor will do wonders for your engine, you will find power you didnt know you had, if you dont have it recurved how ever get the hi6s i think it is, has optional map sensor and boost retard settings for the ignition. im running one i got from the states (import power model) and i think its by far the best mod i have done, just waiting for my gas kit so i can fit the turbo, but its definatly the way you want to go!

on its own the petronix kit has a low output , and even with a good coil the spark isnt that fantastic. but with one of these enhancers, its a biiiiig bright blue spark

food for thought anyway:D

and there you have your two options.

both will cost about the same.

yet one will be a near enough is good enough solution.
The other is a full 3d mapped ignition based off one of the most widely used and reliable factory ignitions system around.

ring pgs 4wd they use a petronix to trigger a ICE system and they can re-graph your dizzy they do these things all the time. They did mine it works great and its all very compact and simple

the problem is a regraphed dizzy doesn't know what boost is.

How would you fit a 36-1 trigger wheel to a tb42 to run the edis system?

thanx heaps for the quick replys. i dont have my dizzy re-graphed as yet but i was planing on running it like it is with a good ignition system then down the track get a cam, valve springs another gas converter the dizzy re-graphed and up the boost. iv seen the ice ignition on here a bit and there hasn`t been a bad thing said about them, ill cheak out the other options and compair them all. cheers guys

no probs mate, if its not regraphed the crane hi6s with map sensor and pressure sensing ignition retard might be the way to go

dansedgli wrote:How would you fit a 36-1 trigger wheel to a tb42 to run the edis system?

get an old EF or AU balancer from a wrecker. machine the wheel off and have tig welded to the TB balancar.

the same way people have been fitting them other engines for years.

then just buy the megajolt that uses RPM vs MAP for it's tunning.

after going to the time effort and money of turboing the thing, i can't understand why anyone would cut the setup short by trying to use a dissy with a mechanical advance.

Do you think mud would bother those sensors? They are fairly out in the open on a falcon.

I had a microtech from my EF and thought about fitting it using a falcon ignition setup but put it in the too hard basket and sold the ECU.

Brad-chevlux wrote:

the problem is a regraphed dizzy doesn't know what boost is.

Exactly right, without retarding your timing in relation to boost it will detonate and eventually go boom !!!!!

I've just watched intently while mine (with a haltech e6x) was tuned on the dyno and its amazing how important the tuning between rpm, fuel, boost, intake temp, exhaust temp, and timing ALL working together.
There is sooooo much more to it than upgrading just one of the components to make it all work.
Dont mean to be a party pooper but just wouldnt like to see it go bang.

dansedgli wrote:Do you think mud would bother those sensors? They are fairly out in the open on a falcon.

I had a microtech from my EF and thought about fitting it using a falcon ignition setup but put it in the too hard basket and sold the ECU.

done right i don't see mud as a problem. done poorly, it's a tow truck waiting to happen.

the ford 36-1 crank sensor has always been a pain to get working cleanly with the likes of microtech wolf ect.

the megajolt however, uses all ford parts. the control box tells the EDIS module when to fire. you can actualy get the EDIS to run with fixed timing with out any ECU or controller fitted.

Yeah they are good things.

I had a go at a megasquirt once using EDIS on a BA motor.

I got the thing to fire but stuffed something up because it wouldnt run.

The microtech worked perfect on the EF, I'd use it again.

Don't buy a Pro-Comp igniton! They are unreliable, have poor timing control poor output and are made in China for $9.

Joel

quick questions for you boys in the know, im running the ice coil, and buying a petronix ignitor next week, question is which ignitor will be better for me number 1 or 2, im planning on racing my truck and nothing else

Kyal

i use 1, but both will work fine, they are relatively the same unit

KYSI wrote:quick questions for you boys in the know, im running the ice coil, and buying a petronix ignitor next week, question is which ignitor will be better for me number 1 or 2, im planning on racing my truck and nothing else

Kyal

neither, use a crane XR3000

Check out ICE they have got alot of systems in turbo gas engines

BowTieGQ wrote:Speak to Performance Ignition Services in Nunawading, especialy since you've got it turboed.

I spoke to these guys and they sold me a crane HI6 that does timing retard on boost triggered by the pertronix that I have already.

I got my turbo conversion running today and with the 1 trip around the block I did with no exhaust on 5 psi it seems fine.

brad-chevlux wrote:

KYSI wrote:quick questions for you boys in the know, im running the ice coil, and buying a petronix ignitor next week, question is which ignitor will be better for me number 1 or 2, im planning on racing my truck and nothing else

Kyal

neither, use a crane XR3000

There is no point getting an XR 3000 as he alreaddy has a module in the ICE ststem, all you need is the petronix to replace the points, a trigger. Get the later one that triggers from the distributor cam as it is the siplest to fit an has no additional parts.

The ICE system is the highest output, it has won on engines in the Masters Engine Competition in the USA, is on one of the fastest VLs in the country and can support 10 000 rpm in a methanol V8.

Joel

PGS 4WD wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

KYSI wrote:quick questions for you boys in the know, im running the ice coil, and buying a petronix ignitor next week, question is which ignitor will be better for me number 1 or 2, im planning on racing my truck and nothing else

Kyal

neither, use a crane XR3000

There is no point getting an XR 3000 as he alreaddy has a module in the ICE ststem, all you need is the petronix to replace the points, a trigger. Get the later one that triggers from the distributor cam as it is the siplest to fit an has no additional parts.

The ICE system is the highest output, it has won on engines in the Masters Engine Competition in the USA, is on one of the fastest VLs in the country and can support 10 000 rpm in a methanol V8.

Joel

Is this the one your talking about Joel?

http://www.pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor3/default.aspx

PGS 4WD wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

KYSI wrote:quick questions for you boys in the know, im running the ice coil, and buying a petronix ignitor next week, question is which ignitor will be better for me number 1 or 2, im planning on racing my truck and nothing else

Kyal

neither, use a crane XR3000

There is no point getting an XR 3000 as he alreaddy has a module in the ICE ststem, all you need is the petronix to replace the points, a trigger. Get the later one that triggers from the distributor cam as it is the siplest to fit an has no additional parts.

The ICE system is the highest output, it has won on engines in the Masters Engine Competition in the USA, is on one of the fastest VLs in the country and can support 10 000 rpm in a methanol V8.

Joel

he only said he's got an ice coil. no mention of a CDI,
the pertronix don't like a drop in battery voltage, i've a few car through work that has suffered from it. the things will crank and crank but not fire. an that from a drop to only 8V, for a 9V system. coulds very easily happen on a weekend away.

the crank unit doesn't suffer like that. the XR3000 is a proper 12V system. dont need that, use an XR700, at least you know it will start when you need it to.

i've only ever had one crane unit fail. that was due to a custom changing the wiring after i fitted it. the XR700 will not last with 12V

im settled on the petronix one, just needa find out which one best suits what im after before i order it.

So joel hurry up and read this!! haha

get number 2. Iirc simplest to fit. Checked what i have and its what i got. Piece of piss 2 fit. You will be happy with it! ORDER NOW.

KYSI wrote:im settled on the petronix one, just needa find out which one best suits what im after before i order it.

So joel hurry up and read this!! haha

Sorry, thats not it, It's a smaller unit. You don't need all the fancy high output stuff as hats already done by the ICE, all you need is a trigger.

I think it is the 2, makes sense the 1 being the reluctor wheel type that meant grinding the dist shaft.

Cheers
Joel

PGS 4WD wrote:

KYSI wrote:im settled on the petronix one, just needa find out which one best suits what im after before i order it.

So joel hurry up and read this!! haha

Sorry, thats not it, It's a smaller unit. You don't need all the fancy high output stuff as hats already done by the ICE, all you need is a trigger.

I think it is the 2, makes sense the 1 being the reluctor wheel type that meant grinding the dist shaft.

Cheers
Joel

yep thats right joel

lock in number 2 thanks eddie

PGS 4WD wrote:

KYSI wrote:im settled on the petronix one, just needa find out which one best suits what im after before i order it.

So joel hurry up and read this!! haha

Sorry, thats not it, It's a smaller unit. You don't need all the fancy high output stuff as hats already done by the ICE, all you need is a trigger.

I think it is the 2, makes sense the 1 being the reluctor wheel type that meant grinding the dist shaft.

Cheers
Joel

i still don't see anywhere he has stated he has anything other than an ICE coil.

the XR700 or Ignitor will not perform as well as an XR3000 or the Ignitor 2 or 3.

UNLESS he can confirm he is running some form of ignition amplifier. in which 'upgrading' from points isn't going to help anyway. when used to trigger a CDI they last for ever. His money would be better spent making sure his dizzy is %100 perfect with the correct end float and no slop in the shafts. ensuring spark is going to happen with it's meant too.