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i done a search and only come up with a shitelode of zooks getting the treatment, has anyone got any pics or info on putting an sr20turbo into a 79 lux, my truck is already a 2 litre 4 speed

Don't waste yoiur time and money... the sr20 will be lacking low down talk. you'll have to rev the bejeebies out of it to get it moving...

here in vic, to get an engine engineered in a car it, the donor car can only be 114kg lighter in tare weight tan the car that the motor is going into.

so you might not be able to get an engineers report/certificate for it anyway

outback_pootrol wrote:i done a search and only come up with a shitelode of zooks getting the treatment, has anyone got any pics or info on putting an sr20turbo into a 79 lux, my truck is already a 2 litre 4 speed

put a 3sgte in more power than an sr20 and it bolts into a toyota 5speed 4x4 gearbox!!

plus TOYOTA !!!!


my rn46 with 3sge (only NA)

everybody said it would not go
i said the same thing its the same weight as the car it came out of
AND GUESS what it eats 3rz's

has heaps more low torque and power all the way thru the rev range than the 18r i pulled out
plus awesome fuel economy try 10 ltrs per 100 on the hiway with 31's

the trick with the RN46 is how light they are

now if you put a turbo one in it would fly

the gt4 celica it came out of weighs 1440kg and did a 15 flat (st185)
an st205 would be better but more money but they did a 13.9 1/4 mile

i was going to do it but put in a 2jz gte instead i even stll have the st205 engine (but not selling)

what model 3sge, i Struggle to believe it beats a 3rz in another car that weighs the same, having owned both motors in n/a and turbo... the 3rz wins hands down power and torque.

And most 3sge's are from front wheel drive cars, so you need new or x over manifolds, new headers probably a sump as well.



the 3sgte is better on paper, than a sr20 but only marginally, its not enough to say that they have plenty more power.

Is200 lexus is where you will find the 3sge in rear wheel drive form, not available in turbo though, so if you go gte it will be out of a ff which is a bitch to convert, you've got to change everything, plenum, water inlet (it's at the back and fouls the firewall) On paper it's a more powerfull motor than the sr, however from personal experience it's not. I had a 3s in a ke70 and even though it was 200kg lighter than my silvia it was still .5 seconds slower down the quater. And the perception that a sr20 is gutless down low is just hearsay. Sr's with mior mods can easily develope in the realms of 230kw and en excess of 500nm of torque, and that torque was made at just under 4000rpm which isn't even half way through the rev range. And as for durability, if you keep the air/fuel just on the safe side of stoich and keep the rev limiter std it will last many km's. Mine spent it's entire life bouncing off the rev limiter and as far as i'm aware it still runs fine!

Sorry bout the length of the post but I say GO FOR IT

berad wrote:what model 3sge, i Struggle to believe it beats a 3rz in another car that weighs the same, having owned both motors in n/a and turbo... the 3rz wins hands down power and torque.

And most 3sge's are from front wheel drive cars, so you need new or x over manifolds, new headers probably a sump as well.



the 3sgte is better on paper, than a sr20 but only marginally, its not enough to say that they have plenty more power.

I have fitted a front wheel drive 3sge into an rn46
sump from a 2s powered st141 corona bolts straight on

all i had to do was weld a rightangle on the water outlet and on the throttle body which then lined straight up to the air cleaner for the 18r

inlet manifold fits no worries with a 2 inch body lift just made a set of extractors

and just so you know i am not talking about the pathetic 3sge out of the auzi elivered celicas with 100kw i am talking about the late model ones
i paid 700 bucks with loom and computer because every one says they are too hard to fit to anything I dont get it:?

the key as i said with the rn 46 is its light weight it is a good 250 kg lighter than the later luxes thats why an na 3sge works well you do not need the low rev torque of the 3rz to push it along but instead at 5000 rpm you get a kick in the pants as it gets into song just when the 3rz is dying in the arse
power na 3sge 137 kW@7000 rpm torque 192 Nm@4800 rpm
power 3rz 112 kW at 4800 RPM torque 240 N·m torque

power is the rate at which torque is apllied from a stand still start or on the hiway the 3 s walks away from the 3rz with 25 extra kw
i am talking a rn 46 4x4 vrs a 4x2 3rz which makes the case even stronger

the diference off road is as well that you can go a third faster in any gear than a 3rz if in mud this is great with all that extra rpm range


ok turbo

not many people have had a ride in an st205 celica they are a weapon
with a sub 13 sec quarter mile time bog stock they are not even in the same league as the old st185 withits mid 15 sec quarter or a silvia
i own an st205 grp A and thought yeah right 13 sec quarter but first time out 13.9 very first run this is with the stock 2 inch exhaust restrictive intake the whole deal std boost every thing stk

st205 3sgte 188 kW @6000 torque 304 Nm @4000 rpm
sr20det S14 (146 kW) unless you can find a variable valve timing model with 166 kW and 270 Nm these are not the ones you have around very often most are s13 or s14 ones

the head design on the 3sgte is streets ahead of the sr20
the 3sgte also has a cast iron block (better for big HP)

then there is the late model 3sgte (which i have waiting for a project)191 kW @6200 rpm torque 324 Nm @4400 rpm from the caldina

any way I run a 2jz now which is in a new league but the old 3sge could eat 3rzs when both trucks empty but put a ton in the back and they were much the same

it does not matter the less people that use these engines keeps demand down keeping them cheap for me

actually, that's a fantastic way to go! Scrap the idea of sr or 3s and just put a 2j in, Reliable as, parts aren't too bad for them, massive aftermarket support and the Americans seem to be able to extract massive power out of stock bottom end!

But back on the 4 cyl conversions. Thrashlux, How do you think (as a reletively cheap conversion) a 3sge would go in a ln105? Mostly as a comparrison to a 22r?

outback_pootrol wrote:i done a search and only come up with a shitelode of zooks getting the treatment, has anyone got any pics or info on putting an sr20turbo into a 79 lux, my truck is already a 2 litre 4 speed

Oh for the love of god why

ryan.u wrote:actually, that's a fantastic way to go! Scrap the idea of sr or 3s and just put a 2j in, Reliable as, parts aren't too bad for them, massive aftermarket support and the Americans seem to be able to extract massive power out of stock bottom end!

But back on the 4 cyl conversions. Thrashlux, How do you think (as a reletively cheap conversion) a 3sge would go in a ln105? Mostly as a comparrison to a 22r?

It would depend on if it was dual or single cab
dual cab i would say no way
single cab would be better than 22r but you would have to drive it pretty hard to get into the torque/power band
on the hiway you would have to drop gears if doing under 100
if doing 125 no need to drop back out of 5th for hills
this is just because the 105 is a bit heavier than the rn 46
if you had an alloy tray and ran around empty and did not have big wheels it would be ok or put 529's in it

all in all though in a 105 the 3s would go better than a 3rz in drag race but would be a bit of a bitch to drive due to all the cog swapping

thrashlux wrote:

outback_pootrol wrote:i done a search and only come up with a shitelode of zooks getting the treatment, has anyone got any pics or info on putting an sr20turbo into a 79 lux, my truck is already a 2 litre 4 speed

put a 3sgte in more power than an sr20 and it bolts into a toyota 5speed 4x4 gearbox!!




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by bolts into you mean no touching of input shaft etc etc???, also is that 5 speed petrol box and also would a 5 speed bolt onto my t/c from 4 speed

outback_pootrol wrote:

thrashlux wrote:

outback_pootrol wrote:i done a search and only come up with a shitelode of zooks getting the treatment, has anyone got any pics or info on putting an sr20turbo into a 79 lux, my truck is already a 2 litre 4 speed

put a 3sgte in more power than an sr20 and it bolts into a toyota 5speed 4x4 gearbox!!




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by bolts into you mean no touching of input shaft etc etc???, also is that 5 speed petrol box and also would a 5 speed bolt onto my t/c from 4 speed

you cannot bolt it to the 4 speed box

you need to run a 5 speed with transfer
either petrol or diesel dont matter with 3y bellhousing (with one of the top bolts redrilled) and a new flywheel or you can use a 2s bell housing from a celica(direct bolt up) but this puts the starter on the left i prefer it on the right
the s sereies engines run the spigot bearing in the fly wheel and it lines straight up with the hilux 5 speed box no mods

all i did was bolt a 5 speed into the 4 speed cross member in its original position and because the engine is heaps shorter than the 18r there is still room for thermo fans behind the radiator plus the engine being set forward lets the disy clear the fire wall and the throttle body as well



making extractors and the clearance for wirewall for throttle body and
radiator

st205s DO NOT run a sub 13sec quarter, strong drivetrain yes, handles good yes, a weapon doing a 12 sec quarter no.

bog stock they'll run a 13.8... enough to kick the pants off most stock meathead mobile, nothing a 185 wont come close to with the 205 gear, the 205s run alot more boost standard etc

end of rant

berad wrote:Are you serious mate, st205s DO NOT run a sub 13sec quarter, i wouldnt call an st205 a weapon bog stock, strong drivetrain yes, handles good yes, a weapon doing a 12 sec quarter no.

Ive been in 162s 162s with 280hp (i owned it), 185s, 205s rah rah rah. Yes the 205 is alot beter than the 185 but 12 sec pass even 13sec pass stock i dont believe it haha.

you forgot unbelievable brakes

and an st165 or 185 are not even in the same league

which number 205 were you in there were only 72 brought in by toyota

As i said myself i did not believe it and it is my car
it was dead set easy every run was under 13.8 even when i stuffed a gear change

i have 4 time cards from willow bank to prove it

it is bog stk not even an exhaust or anything

here is a photo of my st205 and my st185 its not some mates or some thing it is mine
the st185 has an aftermarket computer 3 inch exhaust intake mods and hiflow turbo and is still marginally slower than the stk 205

I do know what i am talking about because i have actually done it
i have since sold the 185 as the 205 surpasses it in every way and it is bog std

hahah well this was mine, built 100% by me, so im not some kid pulling internet numbers off some website. a bog stock 205 group a runs a 13.8 standard, why would toyota write a slower quarter mile than its capable of..

I was always under the impression that 77 were imported not 72........

Either way im not having a dig at ya i just dont believe you haha .

berad wrote:hahah well this was mine, built 100% by me, so im not some kid pulling internet numbers off some website. a bog stock 205 group a runs a 13.8 standard, why would toyota write a slower quarter mile than its capable of..

I was always under the impression that 77 were imported not 72........

Either way im not having a dig at ya i just dont believe you haha .

Sorry i must be missing something but i remember saying that an st205 runs a quarter in the 13sec bracket i did not say 12s (not that it would be hard a bit of boost an exhaust and a filter and you would be there easy)
as far as saying it is not a weapon what other stock standard 4 cylinder cars run a 13 bracket time bog stk (to be specific13.8) we would not want any confusion
there are not many
no v8s even run that stk

anyway this is a 4x4 forum

and as far as i under stand if you take an engine from a 1400kg celica and put itin a 1400kg hilux and say it could only pull a 14.5 due to chassis dynamics etc.

YOU ARE STILL GUNNA SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE
and your self

ps . Oh yeah your right about the 77 i did a snotty nose teenage internet search instead of quoting off the top of my head

thrashlux wrote:no v8s even run that stk

cough cough......... try 13.1 straight off the show room floor. In my vz maloo. Yes v8 and 6 litre.
With 540nm of torque and 90% of that at just above idle, i know what id be putting in a 4wd for low down torque. Plus being alloy id guess it wouldnt weight to much more than a cast iron 4 cyl.

carmino wrote:

thrashlux wrote:no v8s even run that stk

cough cough......... try 13.1 straight off the show room floor. In my vz maloo. Yes v8 and 6 litre.
With 540nm of torque and 90% of that at just above idle, i know what id be putting in a 4wd for low down torque. Plus being alloy id guess it wouldnt weight to much more than a cast iron 4 cyl.

thats pretty quick for a stk ute with no weight in the back and standard tyres and standard exhaust

sure those figures did not include slicks or some form of track tyre

i have never had trouble smashing v8 utes off the lights they seem to spin the tyres pretty good compared to an ALL wheel drive that weighs a lot less

Nope no slicks. Ute was 100% stock and had 1500k's on the clock at the time. Its a VZ Maloo with a LS2. Biggest problem is axle tramp with the factory 19's and perreli tyres. Had to ease it off the line to minimise tramp. Only mods my ute has is countless layers of polish.
With minimal mods like zorst and a tune with slicks very low 12/high 11's are a piece of piss. Log onto ls1.com and look around.
This is my run. 13.1 107 mph.



A ls2 hilux would be great but all that power would surely stuff things up.

Personally since i love range rovers and hiluxs ive always thought about the idea of putting the complete range rover 3.9v8 motor and running gear in a hilux and having constant 4wd. Complete running gear diffs and all. Gives low down gearing and torque with ability to do high speed cruising/touring.

carmino wrote:Nope no slicks. Ute was 100% stock and had 1500k's on the clock at the time. Its a VZ Maloo with a LS2. Biggest problem is axle tramp with the factory 19's and perreli tyres. Had to ease it off the line to minimise tramp. Only mods my ute has is countless layers of polish.
With minimal mods like zorst and a tune with slicks very low 12/high 11's are a piece of piss. Log onto ls1.com and look around.
This is my run. 13.1 107 mph.



A ls2 hilux would be great but all that power would surely stuff things up.

thats great times man
now thats the right way to run a car in

i am like that as well cannot help my self
i give my car to my wife to run in