Prado TD issues

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:36 pm

Hey all.
im looking at buying a Turbo Diesel Prado -2002-2003 roughly.
i notice most for sale have about 205,000kms to 230,000kms.
im just wondering do they start to develop issues then, is the 200k service a monster and scares people away??
or is it just pot luck that at this time most for sale have that range of KMs on them?

also wondering what sort of around town fuel economy do people get?

im trading up from a pov pack 80 diesel so im expecting it to be similar but nicer to drive.

and towing, who has towed some heavy stuff? in my 80 i have had to get back to 1st gear on highways before when towing my comp truck. has anyone towed 2t-3t with a prado and how was it?
i realise they are rated to 2500kg but its only a couple of times a yr so i will take the chance.

Cheers in advance

Twon

Post by **dumbdunce** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:10 pm

1KZ prados have enough trouble pulling themselves along on the highway dude, stick with the 80, turbo it up. if you really want to tow with the prado, and as much as it pains me to say it, the V6 is better. the 1KZ is too peaky, has no low RPM balls at all. 200k service might include a timing belt and injector service which would be well over $1k at the dealer.

a '95 - 98 factory turbo 80 with 250 - 300k km would be better value for the same money if you intend to tow with it. the Prado will do better on fuel, around 9 - 10l/100km, the 80 will be 11 - 12 depending on your driving style (I can get mine around 10l/100km cruising at 90)

Post by **thrashlux** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:32 pm

seriously go buy a petrol gxl 80 or a flogged diesel and fit a 1hdfte from a 100series into one of them

or buy a new interior from a gxl 80 rollover and put fast glass and all that in it in your truck just swap the loom over

1hdfte
180 kw with dtronic 550nm torque

vrs
1kz
96 kw and not enough torque

i have a 1990 80gxl with front mount ,3 inch exhaust and 100 series factory turbo 1hdfte and it is the best thing

i towed a car on a twin axle trailer back to brisbane from sydney and it holds 115 on all the hills i was over taking unladen nissans the whole way
it does not feel load
then fuel economy i am geting 11lt per hundred around town or on the highway
when towing i get about 14ltr per hundred thats a car trailer

it gets better economy than my mates prado with a 1kz i dont understand how but it does

Post by **dumbdunce** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:50 pm

thrashlux wrote: it gets better economy than my mates prado with a 1kz i dont understand how but it does

the engine is run within its efficient RPM range most of the time. Previous to my 80's I owned a bundera 2.4 turbo diesel - smaller, lighter vehicle with a smaller engine and it constantly returned about 14l/100km, the best it would do was about 12. 1HD-FT 80 I have now runs 15psi boost, dynoed at around 500Nm torque, and can deliver sub 11l/100km efficiency. me rikey.

the prado is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:48 pm

cheers for the advice guys.
you totally just changed my thoughts on things.

brian you still doing turbo conversions at your place?

whats your thoughts on a stock 100 series diesel with a turbo conversion?

Post by **Jcas24** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:10 pm

dumbdunce wrote: the 1KZ is too peaky, has no low RPM balls at all.

Post by **thrashlux** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:37 pm

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:cheers for the advice guys.
you totally just changed my thoughts on things.

brian you still doing turbo conversions at your place?

whats your thoughts on a stock 100 series diesel with a turbo conversion?

it would be the same power as putting a turbo on your 80

the 1hz's are not the best engine to turbo (not designed for turbo)
the head is all wrong the pistons are all wrong
direct injection is the only way to go

i think you should drive a few trucks find out how they pull
like a 1hz turbo
a 1hdt
a 1hdfte (hundred series)

better off getting a factory turbo motor and fitting it to either a 100 or your 80

they use heaps less fuel to

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:45 pm

yeah its just my 80 is abit long in the tooth so i thought it was a good time to sell it while its still alright. and update to a new truck.

what did it cost you for the 1hdtfe?

Post by **thrashlux** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:34 am

it was 10.5k for everything i needed i did all the fit myself used my original gearbox all the mounts line up bellhousing fits etc etc

i forgot to mention my 80 is heaps quiker than my mate's 4.5 80 much the same at low speed below 40 but hit the hiway and mine dissapears

the thing with an 80 is if you put a new set of wheel bearings, swivel hub bearings, cvs, get your diffs overhauled( good excuse for lockers) ,new unis, and bushes it will drive like a new truck all for about 2 k

I know the feeling though just go out buy a new truck fix all the problems in one magic pill the trouble is some times you inherit some body elses problems

but yeah the 80 is a really good thing just under powered in std form
yours may just need a birthday

so if you spent 14k(sounds a lot i know) on your 80 it would be an awesome truck and you would probably never want to sell it and there is no alternative
ie live front ,coil rear ,strong gearbox (see 105 series diesel have crap box),good tow capacity,good fuel capacity, heaps of power and torque,awesome fuel enconomy

the closest thing would be a 100s td and they have a puss front end

cheers

jonathan

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:34 am

jonathan cheers mate.

one key issue i have with the 80 and GU's. is the legal towing limit of 2500kg. my comp rig and a trailer would smash that.

so a 100 series with a 3500 rating looks the choice.
but in hindsight perhaps the 80 GXL is the goods.

im just wondering if a prado with a DPCHIP taking it to 122kw and 398NM would be worth investigating or if anyone has one????

cmon prado owners. stickup for your ride and tell me they are the goods. other then joel nobody has said anything.

Post by **thrashlux** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:57 am

or you can get a late 80 any model petrol or diesel gxl with all the fruit

as they have 3500kg tow cap

i think about 96 -97 is the change over to 3500 kg tow cap

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:21 am

yeah im tempted on the late 80.
it still seems crazy to be getting the same car, nicer interior, better motor. but fulltime 4wd

for 10k more... or thereabouts..

but if i be patient... someone will be selling and ready to give it up cheapish i hope...

Post by **dumbdunce** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:01 pm

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:yeah im tempted on the late 80.
it still seems crazy to be getting the same car, nicer interior, better motor. but fulltime 4wd for 10k more... or thereabouts..

but if i be patient... someone will be selling and ready to give it up cheapish i hope...

part time transfer case is $500ish, pair of locking hubs is $100, rear tailshaft $150ish. takes about 4 hours to do a part time conversion on a GXL. you could get another later DX or RV model and get part time with the 3500kg towing limit. I think they are 3500kg from 1992?? with the bigger brakes?

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:32 pm

after talking to my yota guru i think 80 TD may be the way of the future.. err past.. the way!

Post by **Jcas24** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:31 pm

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:after talking to my yota guru i think 80 TD may be the way of the future.. err past.. the way!

factory turbo with fast glass and you can't go wrong. I got a mate that has one of the factory TD 's and it goes hard.

oh and there's not alot of prado owners on here, unfortunately they dont get pushed to there capabilities by there soccer mum owners.

Post by **dow50r** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:32 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Toyota-Prado-Dua ... 240%3A1318

Post by **thrashlux** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:32 am

dumbdunce wrote:
DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:yeah im tempted on the late 80.
it still seems crazy to be getting the same car, nicer interior, better motor. but fulltime 4wd for 10k more... or thereabouts..

but if i be patient... someone will be selling and ready to give it up cheapish i hope...
part time transfer case is $500ish, pair of locking hubs is $100, rear tailshaft $150ish. takes about 4 hours to do a part time conversion on a GXL. you could get another later DX or RV model and get part time with the 3500kg towing limit. I think they are 3500kg from 1992?? with the bigger brakes?

I just did a bit of looking around the max tow weight increase did not happen till Oct 96 the tow weight was upgraded to 3,500kg .
this did not correspond with any upgrade in the braking or chassis(as you think it should) but corresponded with when the landrover disco was up rated to 4000kg

so make sure that if you want to be 100%legal (even though there is no physical diference than from a late 92 model)that you get the post oct 96 model

cheers jonathan

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