Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I'm looking at the possibility of changing to HID's. At the moment I have 7"round sealed beams so I would need new lights for the installation. To keep things as good as I can on the road if I go this way I'll be looking at 35W 4200K-4500K H4 High/Lows although running HID high/Halogen low is an option.

Any suggestions for a good 7"round headlight that isn't going to throw light all over the road into oncoming drivers?

Use the projector style 7" replacements

crystal style headlights modified yourself with proper projectors??? Planning the same thing myself with the clear 03 patrol headlights. It's more legal than just the bulb replacement type conversions.

Yeah it's a lil more hassle doing it, and an extra couple hundred dollars, but it's far safer for other road users...and besides, it's something you can say is custom

I ran a halogen low, hid high in my sierra in narva inserts, hid was great, but it was a real pain when you dipped back to low, as these proved to be worse than a standard sealed beam.

I'd lean towards a H4 conversion before HID if I had my time again. +80% globes and upgraded loom.

i have been selling these headlights for 5 year now and same with the HID I can do you a deal for both for $330
the HID globe is like this
and the headlightis this one

steve

Steve are those headlights ADR compliant? What cleaning options do you sell with those lights because don't all HID lights (other than auxillary) have to have a cleaning device?

don't all HID lights (other than auxillary) have to have a cleaning device?

Why would a HID need a Cleaning Device more so than any other bulb? What a retrofitted HID needs is a sheild to obtain the correct "cut"

Those 7" Projector Inserts would be the best bet, then U can run HID's on Low beam where, lets face it, 70% of your on road driving is done on low beam.

Yes, HID globes require auto leveling and cleaning to be legal.

Sorry, don't what to start a sh!t fight, but that's the law.

I've run (factory) HID in my road cars for over 5 years. It is brilliant, but it's also far from brilliant when I'm dazzled by badly aimed HID retrofits in others cars, both rice and 4WD.

Yes, IMHO, HID does need leveling and cleaning more than any other LEGAL bulb.

If you are comparing HID with, say, a 100W H4 globe with a loom, then no, it doesn't need cleaning and leveling any more than the 100W H4 globe does.

It's all about how much light you are putting down the road.

Steve.

Please don't run HID in your headlights if they aren't autolevelling.

It's inconsiderate, dangerous, and sooner or later it's going to be severely clamped down on... probably after it has caused a serious accident.

define cleaning, how do U "AUTO CLEAN" a bulb???

High pressure water jets applied when the windscreen washers are used and the headlights are on is the most common method.

You're not washing the bulb, you're washing the lens.

The intent is to prevent diffused light dazzling other drivers due to the light striking dirt on the lens.

Would be great on all 4WD's - my 1985 Gwagen has washers. In some countries, headlight cleaning has been law for many years - notably Sweden AFAIK - have a look at all old saabs and volvos - they all have wipers on their headlights.

Personally, I'd like to see washers/wipers and auto leveling law on every car.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:High pressure water jets applied when the windscreen washers are used and the headlights are on is the most common method.

You're not washing the bulb, you're washing the lens.

The intent is to prevent diffused light dazzling other drivers due to the light striking dirt on the lens.

Would be great on all 4WD's - my 1985 Gwagen has washers. In some countries, headlight cleaning has been law for many years - notably Sweden AFAIK - have a look at all old saabs and volvos - they all have wipers on their headlights.

Personally, I'd like to see washers/wipers and auto leveling law on every car.

Steve.

I 100% agree with steve on this. I run Hid 's in my courier work ute ,they are aimed quite low and I almost never get flashed when they are clean, but when the light lense is dirty every third car will crack the shits about the stray light from the dirt on lenses.

Unfortunately Hid is the only way to get decent light out of those shit polycabonate lense headlights without melting or yellowing the lense. Id happily use 90/130 or something if they didn't wreck the lense.

High pressure water jets applied when the windscreen washers are used and the headlights are on is the most common method.

Im YET to see a japanese car manufacturer fit headlight washers to a car with HID's.

The only cars Ive seen washers on is Euro Stuff, and 99% of the time the dont wash properly as there not really designed for Aus conditions, generally they are reserved for getting Snow off the lights in inclement weather.

Id happily use 90/130 or something if they didn't wreck the lense.

Technically, if the bulb is UV cut, it wont yellow the poly lens, have a look at most Narva and Hella bulbs and they state UV cut, and are Safe for Poly Lens's.
This is also the reason a lot of import cars and Korean stuff have that dirty lens look from the outside, as we get higher levels of UV present in this country and it burns the poly from the outside.

there is another option to hid i bought a set of crystal lenses and super white globes off ebay for i think about 80 bucks off ebay for my gq and i am 100% impressed with the way they light up the road makes the lights in my calais look pretty crap maybe you could try them and it is a straight bolt in cheers

phat-customs wrote:

High pressure water jets applied when the windscreen washers are used and the headlights are on is the most common method.

Im YET to see a japanese car manufacturer fit headlight washers to a car with HID's.

The only cars Ive seen washers on is Euro Stuff, and 99% of the time the dont wash properly as there not really designed for Aus conditions, generally they are reserved for getting Snow off the lights in inclement weather.

Id happily use 90/130 or something if they didn't wreck the lense.

Technically, if the bulb is UV cut, it wont yellow the poly lens, have a look at most Narva and Hella bulbs and they state UV cut, and are Safe for Poly Lens's.
This is also the reason a lot of import cars and Korean stuff have that dirty lens look from the outside, as we get higher levels of UV present in this country and it burns the poly from the outside.

But the problem is not only the UV on a 90/130 globe its the heat (they run TOO HOT) and fark the lense this way too , HID on the other hand is probably cooler to run than a 55watt globe

CJ go the IPF headlight inserts. these are legal and also strong. i've had a couple of the cheapies break on me.

Phat-customs, the Jap vitaras and also the subarus have washers installed on them factory

phat-customs wrote:Im YET to see a japanese car manufacturer fit headlight washers to a car with HID's.

Lexus, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Suzuki all have auto levelling and headlight washers fitted to all cars with HID's, just to name a few.

Most are cleverly designed so as to pop up out of the front bumper when they are triggered, others have the squirters mounted in a moulding on the front of the bumper.

The truth of the matter is, it is legislated by law that all cars sold in Aus, regardless of country of manufacture, must have these features fitted on cars equipped with HID lights. The must also work to a specific standard, again legislated by law. Just because you cant see them, does not mean they are not there.

and cars did not have to have HID bulbs to be fitted with light washers. look at all of the Safari Patrols out there. they have little wipers and squirters for the headlights.

as to the original topic, while i think that HID lights do look cool, they are dangerous if not installed and adjusted correctly. Personally, i would prefer to use a properly aligned higher rated bulb (also illegal) than a poorly aligned HID.