Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hey all,
am considering putting a spool locker from lockup 4x4 in my rear diff of my '84 4runner.
It has 35's, 6 inch lift..
Will this be just money that I am throwing away on getting a locker??
Cheers
Dan

Hey buddy i have a detroit in the back of mine, never have any problems u just learn to drive a bit different on the road to try and avoid it locking up, but for the money compared to an air locker for the rear its the most cost effective upgrade but full spool might be a pain with 35's as well, makes it harder to turn and these things dont have much lock as is.

G'day mate, i got one in the rear of my lux one of the best things i've done to it. I bought it from all pro in the states for like 2 hundred and something bucks and love itt. Not that good on tyres if you drive it daily but i reckon its money well spent.

Why not just weld the diff up? Bit cheaper and I guess does the same job.

yeah was going to do that but if i didn't like it i could take it out, and it cost me stuff all.

I would not put one in the rear, it will load up your axles really bad when going around roundabouts and in carparks.... unless it is getting towed some where.....

If you want to have a cheap lokker install a lockrite, look around you will pick them up for between 400-600 and are piss easy to install.. at least when you are going round a corner you can back off and it will unlock allowing you to turn without spinning 1 wheel....

i have used them front and rear before i went air lokkers and definately recommend them in the rear....

think about it as the little extra you pay for them will pay for itself... tyres are heaps more expensive.

I bet you will break an axle after a while if a spool is used for a period of time on road.

My 2 cents...
Brad

I was thinking of getting a lockrite for the rear, but then i saw the spool locker and it was cheaper... Yeah the on-road disabilities with a spool locker seem to be bad.. so is an LSD any better??
Cheers
Dan

dans-paj92 wrote:I was thinking of getting a lockrite for the rear, but then i saw the spool locker and it was cheaper... Yeah the on-road disabilities with a spool locker seem to be bad.. so is an LSD any better??
Cheers
Dan

not in a yota.

go the lockright.

if you want a locker a lsd will not make you happy, depending on how you set it up you can have it super tight and it will nearly be the same as the spool, or you can have it looser and it will basically not be any good off road (better then nothing but it is not going to perform anywhere near liker a lokker)

I have used them and do reccommend them, as a weekender they are fine but as i moved to wa and no longer go (propper ) 4wd'n then the airlokker was the go...

Value for money and drivability into consideration.... the spool WILL eventually get changed out to something more drivable as you will IMOP regret it....

Keep saving mate, ive been there like you and for the extra money the lockrite will do what you whant to do.... and save alot of headachs in the future.

P.S. I had to shim my lsd 1.2mm either side of the lsd to even make it work and it was not tight. But i drove most things with a shimmed lsd and a lockrite.

Brad

okay,
ive decided to go with a lockright in the back, got a complete 4.88 centre with a lockright for $200..
Dan

dans-paj92 wrote:okay,
ive decided to go with a lockright in the back, got a complete 4.88 centre with a lockright for $200..
Dan

dans-paj92 wrote:okay,
ive decided to go with a lockright in the back, got a complete 4.88 centre with a lockright for $200..
Dan

Good cheap deal mate just chek the pins and springs are ok in the locker and you will be good to go . If they are a bit iffy get a new set and keep the old as pares as they are the main things to go.

Put it in the front... that way when your on the road you have no issues...

308LUX wrote:Put it in the front... that way when your on the road you have no issues...

and when your offroad you cant steer.

each to their own but i would rather it in the rear, most drive comes from the rear when climbing, and less likely to break a rear axel than a front cv.

thehanko wrote:

308LUX wrote:Put it in the front... that way when your on the road you have no issues...

and when your offroad you cant steer.

each to their own but i would rather it in the rear, most drive comes from the rear when climbing, and less likely to break a rear axel than a front cv.

I had a hilux (solid axle) on 33s and a lockright in the front. Never had a problem with turning while offroad. They are designed to allow one wheel to turn faster (ie. the outside wheel, when turning) and I found that mine worked just as they say its meant too...
I think alot of people don't set them up properly. Make sure your clearances are right on the lock right.

Luke.

ive had them front and rear...

Now IMOP it is not a good idea to have just a diff lock in the front and to have nothing in the rear (this includes a lsd that has not been shimmed). If you intend on going 4wding and driving moderate to hard tracks you will start breaking CV's, this has alot to do with the fact that your rear will spin/ loose traction easily and that then puts all the weight of your truck on your front axles.... Not to mention (as said) it will sometimes lock up the steering- especially when going downhill.

The upside is once out of 4WD you unlock the hubs and you would never know it was there... They are ok in the front with a rear lokker but i don't like them in the front due to them affecting steering. Also presuming you can reverse or spin the wheels in reverse it will usually help it to unlock to help turn (Sometimes not good on a wet slippery hill going down)

Knowing that the hilux cv's arn't real strong to to start with (especially with your 35's) it is not a good mix.

Put it in the rear (like you said you were going to) maybe throw the lsd in the front (if you have one) or shim the rear right up.

The lockrites are good, as said they need to be set up properly otherwise they will give you problems.

When you drive with one you wont notice it is there when going fast, only when going slow and turning. You WILL get the occasional bang/ clunk which is due to the locker being under load as it is unlocked and thats where the noise comes from (its quite normal and does no harm). You will majority notice it when going around a roundabout or in car parks. When going round a roundabout and its wet back off and softly accellerate around otherwise it WILL put you sideways (still going to be better than a spool as the lockrite unlocks)... This is the same as in carparks

When going fast around long sweeping corners remember it is there (i never had it try to put me sideways in the wet and did not back off ) you will get the feel for it and know when it is going to stay locked/unlock.

Remember this locker is locked in normally when driving and it is when you back off the accellerator (as turning) it will unlock.. When it is unlocked and you are turning it will click.

Hope that gives you a bit of an idea on how it will work.

Brad (sorry bout all the reading )

thehanko wrote:

308LUX wrote:Put it in the front... that way when your on the road you have no issues...

and when your offroad you cant steer.

each to their own but i would rather it in the rear, most drive comes from the rear when climbing, and less likely to break a rear axel than a front cv.

thats ing statement

Brads statement is based more in reality than thehankos who was propably trying to win the silliest statement of the week award.
I wiil base mine in reality as well
As i actualy have this set up in my toyo
I have a front lockright a rear lsd and 33inch muddys
I Dont have power steering so had to be man handled abit then i found this invention called a return to center dampner and that fixed that.
My Lsd was rebuilt 3yrs ago so is probably getting lose now , I drive all the tracks i can any type but prefer to dive into unknown mud holes and have never broken a thing (touch wood)
And i have driven tracks that some with air lockkers have had real trouble with, but that could be more to do with the truck and driver.
I have thought about the rear diff and all the combination mentioned in this thread but havent decided may just rebuiled the tryed and true Lsd

I did say it will sometimes lock up the steering (does not happen all the time- power steer often fights it), this is not the reason why i would not use them in the front but is more a side affect...

My comment had more to deal with the fact that he has 35's and was asking about a spool lokker in the rear... not a lokker in the front....

And if he can get 'A' lockrite and is not going to have a lsd (he did not say if he did have one) or a diff lock in the rear he will have problems...

But this is my opinion and i have used them, so i believe put it in the rear (as i think you were going to do anyway)

Brad

What do you mean "locks up the steering" ?.I dont have powersteering and used to have to man handle it out of rut tracks ,
Just take my hands off the steering wheel and it would follow them up the hill
Is it a powersteering thing, i use heavey duty oil stabaliser with my diff oil maybe that has something to do with it being so quiet and smooth
to the point were i tell people its just an open diff and im a great driver

beinthemud wrote:What do you mean "locks up the steering" ?.I dont have powersteering and used to have to man handle it out of rut tracks ,
Just take my hands off the steering wheel and it would follow them up the hill
Is it a powersteering thing, i use heavey duty oil stabaliser with my diff oil maybe that has something to do with it being so quiet and smooth
to the point were i tell people its just an open diff and im a great driver

It did basically lock up the steering, not very often.. mainly in high traction surfaces and going down hill.

I would stick it in reverse and back up a little or spin the wheels and it would unlock.

When it is underload and trying to turn it is not designed to unlock... but meant to stay locked.... It is when it is not under load when turning it will easily unlock itself.

when i say lock i mean the point when you cannot turn the steering wheel and thats with the power steer.. would be worse without the power steer.

But if you are in dirt/ mud it won't lock up the same.


Brad

I Think i follow you
does it stop the front drive line turning on one side or both
I think you mean it locks the diff and wheels

An lsd in the rear is a total waste of time they wera out in no time and when you need them they give up the ghost. putting more load on the front hence damaging front end components more easily.

Best 2 lockrite front and rear if you have to lsd rear till you can afford a real locker not a pretend lsd.

brad is rite it Does lock the steering as in you can't turn but a little movement forward or back will free it up and unlock it to allow the turn.

beinthemud wrote:I Think i follow you
does it stop the front drive line turning on one side or both
I think you mean it locks the diff and wheels

like a spool lokker/ arb air lokker, if you have good tyres, have them deflated and are on a track with high traction and the centre is locked basically the axles bind up agains them selves till one tyre can slip or it will basically lock up the steering if the wheel cannot slip.

When the centre is open/ unlocked and you are turning, one wheel will turn faster then the other and allows you to turn.

As i said a lock rite will unlock itself when not under load and allow you to turn but not always. Mud/ Dirt this is generally not an issue as it will allow the tyre to slip.

Them people that believe your truck has no lokkers must be pretty nieve or have not seen you drive as it is pretty easy to see if someone has a lokker or not.... Or you are only driving easy tracks.

Brad

bulldogy wrote:An lsd in the rear is a total waste of time they wera out in no time and when you need them they give up the ghost. putting more load on the front hence damaging front end components more easily.

Best 2 lockrite front and rear if you have to lsd rear till you can afford a real locker not a pretend lsd.

brad is rite it Does lock the steering as in you can't turn but a little movement forward or back will free it up and unlock it to allow the turn.

spot on

brad 93hilux wrote:

bulldogy wrote:An lsd in the rear is a total waste of time they wera out in no time and when you need them they give up the ghost. putting more load on the front hence damaging front end components more easily.

Best 2 lockrite front and rear if you have to lsd rear till you can afford a real locker not a pretend lsd.

brad is rite it Does lock the steering as in you can't turn but a little movement forward or back will free it up and unlock it to allow the turn.

spot on

Thought you needed some more realistic feedack and backup mate lolol some pple just don't understand.

No offence to anyone i am slightly drunk

Thanks for the lesson
You helped me decide i went with the right combination in the front with the mec lokka just not sold on the rear maybe go same same as the front
or just chuck a 9inch in it

i dont have an LSD rear, so the back is open centre now with 4.88 diff gears.
The lockright will go in the front diff, and i have to save up for a locker for the rear.
I have power steering as well, and crawler gears
I took it to appin on the weekend with open diffs and didnt get stuck once... it might be the brand new 35inch muddies??
Cheers
Dan

Dont say that man your meant to say what a great driver you are

4RUNNER_01 wrote:Hey buddy i have a detroit in the back of mine, never have any problems u just learn to drive a bit different on the road to try and avoid it locking up, but for the money compared to an air locker for the rear its the most cost effective upgrade but full spool might be a pain with 35's as well, makes it harder to turn and these things dont have much lock as is.

Thats were you back off into the corner
What about off road say heading up hill and backing off ,Also lock up as the others describe