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Just for your info...one of our Divisonal Highway Patrol vehicles had an engine fault which was brought to the attention of the Holden Dealer. They advised to keep driving it.

The engine failed and when stripped down it was found that a hydraulic lifter had failed. New crate engine shipped down from the NT??? and installed.


Now one of our HP vehicles developed a knock and our dealer stripped the engine down to find that a hydraulic lifter had failed and stuffed the camshaft.

So, for those that have installed the 6 litre motors just be mindful if it starts to knock.

Apparently Holden are a tad concerned? The Holden Grenade?

again, you would think they would have learnt after the vt 5.7

So how many TMU cars are off the road at the moment

Is this in a VZ or VE commodore ???

hoppy

What engine oil was used in them?

Hoppy11 wrote:Is this in a VZ or VE commodore ???

hoppy

Best of my knowledge:
Vz HSV - Ls2 (front sump, old style hedders)
Ve all - Ls2 (rear sump new hedders)

hence not l76

But the goons still love their Chevs



My 1UZ has had about 17 different types/brands of oil in it. Has been rolled upside down. Has been heated to over 120deg C at least half a dozen times. It has 'probably' 250,000km on it. Is now running on LPG and 8psi boost and it's still going like new.

VE , holden spec oil brand not known. Both engines suffered lifter prob. First one No 4 pot. Second engine not sure.

The fleet should be grounded while they work through this problem.

RN wrote:VE , holden spec oil brand not known. Both engines suffered lifter prob. First one No 4 pot. Second engine not sure.

VE uses the L98 6 Lt I believe not the L76
Hoppy

you guys must give the a flogging

This is a known oil gallery problem with late model Chev (crap) engines.
Not surprising at all.

Hoppy11 wrote:

RN wrote:VE , holden spec oil brand not known. Both engines suffered lifter prob. First one No 4 pot. Second engine not sure.

VE uses the L98 6 Lt I believe not the L76
Hoppy

l76 has afm, l98 does not i beleive. Auto ve's have afm manual do not.

just what I heard last week
cheers bru

I am no expert on the Chev, just did a bit of Google and thought it a L76...hadn't heard of the L98....( I just drive 'em).

Over my 23 yrs of HP duty there are only two cars I have really enjoyed in the fleet:

VL Turbo and the XR6 Turbo.

The VL had the most reliable engine ...ever. Smooth, effortless, unbreakable.

The torque from the Ford down low is the shizzle, the engine is just so smooth.

Still, Chev's sound beaut...only when a lifter is not knocking.

ls1 has the least problems of any of there engines according to gm i would have expected that the 6lt would have been as good.

Here here, RN, love the VL BT1's

After all this time with crappy old school unreliable engines, you think Holden would look back and realise that the best engine they've ever used was Japanese, like you said RN - jet.

Instead of using yank boat anchors they should have looked east.

-Nemesis- wrote: Instead of using yank boat anchors they should have looked east.

ooo arrest me arrest me!

The best holden Nissan ever made was the VL.

bru21 wrote:

Hoppy11 wrote:

RN wrote:VE , holden spec oil brand not known. Both engines suffered lifter prob. First one No 4 pot. Second engine not sure.

VE uses the L98 6 Lt I believe not the L76
Hoppy

l76 has afm, l98 does not i beleive. Auto ve's have afm manual do not.

just what I heard last week
cheers bru

Manual VE's do have an afm, mrs's ss does anyway

matto wrote:ls1 has the least problems of any of there engines according to gm i would have expected that the 6lt would have been as good.

You have got to be kidding. If that's the case then they must have had some shockers.

The initial LS1's were oil guzzling rattling piles of puss and cost Holden an absolute fortune in warranty claims and also GM in the US. US guys were looking at undertaking a class action against GM for these ongoing issues.

Some Oz Commodoes had more than 3 complete engine changes before they got one that was half reasonable. Holden had specialised engine shops try reboring them etc to no avail as the blocks were crap so complete engines were changed under warranty but the same issues surfaced.

An eventual change to Canadian cast blocks apparently eventually resolved most issues so don't buy Mexican block LS1's.

This new issue doesn't look good for Holden if it escalates further.

want33s wrote:The best holden Nissan ever made was the VL.

Are you trying to say fords are any better?

They are both as crap as each other, and get beaten by 4cyls in any fair race.

I saw a datsun 1200 waste a commodore V8 at a WRC demo race

ISUZUROVER wrote:

want33s wrote:The best holden Nissan ever made was the VL.

Are you trying to say fords are any better?

They are both as crap as each other, and get beaten by 4cyls in any fair race.

I saw a datsun 1200 waste a commodore V8 at a WRC demo race

Was this a yellow 1200 coupe, if so its not quite a 1200 motor

I think it was white... They said it had a 1300 or 1400 motor...

brendan_h wrote:you guys must give the a flogging

of course they do.. how many times a day do you think that car would go from 0 - 100 +km/ph on a could engine..

RN wrote:
Over my 23 yrs of HP duty there are only two cars I have really enjoyed in the fleet:

VL Turbo

did you ever get to drive the cordias?

Instead of using yank boat anchors they should have looked east.[/quote]

Its funny that the fastest form of motorsport still uses 1 cam and 16 pushrods
Take a look at NASCAR probably the fastest sedan racing in the world. again 1 camshaft and 16 pushrods and a Carby.
No point reinventing the wheel if its no faster

That said the Holden motors can be pretty average but the early ones weren't as bad as everyone made out. A heap of motors were done by dealers just to make a bit of money because it was easy to a motor swap and Holden happyly paid

j-top paj wrote:

RN wrote:
Over my 23 yrs of HP duty there are only two cars I have really enjoyed in the fleet:

VL Turbo

did you ever get to drive the cordias?

No, not sure if they were anywhere in our fleet but perhaps interstate.

RN wrote:

j-top paj wrote:

RN wrote:
Over my 23 yrs of HP duty there are only two cars I have really enjoyed in the fleet:

VL Turbo

did you ever get to drive the cordias?

No, not sure if they were anywhere in our fleet but perhaps interstate.

What about the evos or stis? I know you guys all complained you couldn't fit your big donut-holders in (and had to sit too close to your "customers")... but they must have driven OK???

turbo gu wrote:
Its funny that the fastest form of motorsport still uses 1 cam and 16 pushrods

You said what now??? I can't even begin to comprehend the levels of wrongness in that statement...

You realise that motorsport is anything that uses a motor/engine. So it includes planes, boats, etc...

Even if you want to narrow it down to WHEELED motorsport (which you didn't) - this beats your wimpy nascar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThrustSSC

After the record was set, the World Motor Sport Council released the following message:

The World Motor Sport Council homologated the new world land speed records set by the team ThrustSSC of Richard Noble, driver Andy Green, on 15 October 1997 at Black Rock Desert, Nevada (USA). This is the first time in history that a land vehicle has exceeded the speed of sound. The new records are as follows:

* Flying mile 1227.986 km/h (763.035 mph)
* Flying kilometre 1223.657 km/h (760.343 mph)

In setting the record, the sound barrier was broken in both the north and south runs.

Paris, 11 November 1997.

Slightly higher tech than a nascar - and can probably go round corners better