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Well took the Roza into Gympie 4x4 yesterday for a service (I figured I am driving it over 120km a day - want it serviced and maintained properly to save break downs on the highway).

The bad news is the suspension will not be getting done for a while now as the car has some items which need to be attended to pretty soon:-

* Front wheel bearings need repacking
* Steering idler bushes are worn
* Cat converter needs to be replaced

They seem to think that my crap fuel consumption is due to the cat converter so we'll soon find out, will get it done in the next few weeks. I have been quoted $250-$300 and will get the exhaust all redone while I am at it.

My question is - has anyone had to replace the steering idler bushes if so much are we talking about???

Kell you could get a second hand cat convertor from the wrecker- ones off V6 Commodores are supposed to be good. Yours must be blocked if they're claiming it's stuffed? It's not that hard to get underneath and onbolt the cat to check; once it's out hold it up to a light and you should be able to see through the honeycombe to the other outlet- if you can't it's r**ted. Sometimes they start to breakup internally and get blocked.

If you do a search for the steering idler bushes you'll find info on them. Polyurethane ones are available aftermarket.

The wheels bearings shouldn't cost much to get done.

yeah David they had a good look at it....the place where I took it, the managers kids have all had ferozas so it was very reassuring when they told me that, as soon as I mentioned the fuel consumption and "luginess" they knew that it was that straight away. My fuel filter was also blocked to the s$%t house - makes you wonder why they didn't pick it up at the last 10000km service (had it serviced somewhere else)

Kell wrote:* Front wheel bearings need repacking
* Steering idler bushes are worn
* Cat converter needs to be replaced

Wheel bearings... bugger all... get em to check brakes at the same time.

Idler arm bushes - NFI sorry. never did mine in 4 years / 155,000 k's.

Cat - Extractors sports exhaust, new cat.. get the lot done Kell if you have $$$.....

Then get the suspension and tyres. YOu'll friggin love it.

HeathGQ wrote:

Kell wrote:* Front wheel bearings need repacking
* Steering idler bushes are worn
* Cat converter needs to be replaced

Wheel bearings... bugger all... get em to check brakes at the same time.

Idler arm bushes - NFI sorry. never did mine in 4 years / 155,000 k's.

Cat - Extractors sports exhaust, new cat.. get the lot done Kell if you have $$$.....

Then get the suspension and tyres. YOu'll friggin love it.

Going to get new exhaust....might as well make it sound good if I am forking out that much money, don't know about the extractors though

Okay then... You will need them soon though, the exhaust manifold usually cracks, and its cheaper to get extractors then a new manifold, but even a nice note from a sports exhaust for now will be good.

It sounds a bit expensive for a new cat, shouldn't really cost more than $200 for that. I drove mine with no cat for sometime when I first had it because someone done a dodgy and bolted the casing over the pipe.
I recently had the idler arm replaced with a new one and I think it was $350 or something around there plus I waited two weeks for it to come from Japan. I've had the bushes done before but I can't remember what it cost but if you want to know I'll check my files as I keep all receipts.

Idler arm bushes - NFI sorry. never did mine in 4 years / 155,000 k's.

NFI sorry. never did mine in 4 years / 155,000 k's.

could be something to do with the power steering (I think Heath didn't have powersteering) make sure your fluid is topped up

Well, here I am in Sunny Melbourne.....warmer than Sydney so far

Anyway Kell, Leon should be the man to help us with the idler arm bushes, there's a place in Parramatta in Sydney who does a polyurinethane one for about 20 bucks...hope he can remember their name. DON'T go getting a genuine replacement idler arm, coz you'll only have to replace it again in 6 months, especially if you have any lift on the front end. You should be able to replace the bush without undoing any of the balljoints....

As for front bearings, they are adjustables, so they really are just a matter of loosening off the retainer (?), givin' it a clean up, a refill with grease, tighten 'im up and away ya go.

Exhaust....if ya want to save a bit of money, get the above-mentioned condomodore cat and go practice your eyelid fluttering at the local exhaust place....normally should cost a bloke a few beers, a girl, just a coupla smiles and fluttering eyelids for 'em to chop out the old and weld in the new.

Good luck.

AJFeroza wrote: there's a place in Parramatta in Sydney who does a polyurinethane one for about 20 bucks...

Well they can just keep that then can't they.

HeathGQ wrote:

AJFeroza wrote: there's a place in Parramatta in Sydney who does a polyurinethane one for about 20 bucks...

Well they can just keep that then can't they.

that would smell disgusting once it got hot!

Get the extractors if you're doing the exhaust!!!! The power difference is well worth it- sh*ts all the power gain from the K&N pod filter. (And I haven't even touched the rear section on mine yet..... Hmmmm next week maybe.....)

I posted the maker of those polyURINEthane bushes on here somewhere too...

Well as much as I would love to get the extractors put in I just don't have the $$$$ to get it done

Kell, I went to an exhaust place earlier today and they wanted $290 for a "high flow" cat. Too many $$$ for my liking, I'll stick with my standard one.

I was quoted $290 for the cat back in 2" steel with a resonator and muffler; and $240 for cat back in stainless 2" with me supplying a stainless muffler and resonator that I've got from another vehicle.

Hi Al, Your in Melbourne & I'm in Gladstone but I can still hear you. Mate I got those poly bushs from somewhere on the www, did a search and found them in Brizzy I think. Cost about $12 or $14 delivered. Can't remember why I didn't use them and sold them to you.

I can remember buying a new genuine idler arm complete for some reason from Linquip in Rosehill. I think the price was reasonable.

Idelr bush is listed on here:

http://www.bac.com.au/s-pro/daihatsu.html

Made by Super Pro.

Thanks guys. My cousin is going to go into the exhaust place to check on some prices today and if I can get the extractors for a reasonable price and get everything else done at the same time then I will get them put on. One question though....does having extractors effect your insurance????

Kell wrote:One question though....does having extractors effect your insurance????

You need to advise them.. It may affect, I have heard some companies will stop coverage, just move on from them....

Kell, like Heath said you need to tell them about it (same for changing the exhaust too.)

If you have any problems tell them to shove it where the sun doesn't shine and contact www.dgainsurance.com.au - I ended up changing over because my old insurer wouldn't cover them. I'd been with my old insurer for over 15 years (including having two high power modded turbo vehicles through them) and never had an at fault accident- but they wouldn't insure extractors on a Feroza?! DGA are also a lot cheaper for me with better coverage.

Ok time for another stupid question.

When booking and asking for prices at the exhaust place....do they order the extractors in or do you supply them yourself?

They should supply them- just give them the vehicle details and ask for prices for extractors. Make sure they quote you for a 4-2-1 design (or called "tri-y") extractor and not 4-1.

Kell, from my experiences I would recommend the following- just get the extractors and cat converter done; forget about the rear section and save your money.

I had my rear section done yesterday in 2" with a single muffler and flex(couldn't fit anything else under there!) The response at small throttle openings and low revs is definitely worse and I'm finding I'm having to use the throttle more- which is exactly what Leon said he experienced.

I've also got my "test hill" where I start at 25km/h in second and floor it as I go past one sign and then check the speed as I go flat out past a second sign. There's only a couple of km/h difference from a quick test I did yesterday; and that would probably be due to it revving out past 5000rpm a bit better. I'm usually doing around 55km/h with the standard air filter, and around 58 with the K&N- the rear section only brought it up to around the same speed as the K&N.

I haven't fitted the K&N yet with the new exhaust to see what result that gives.

Yes it does rev out better past 5000rpm, but who drives like that all the time?

David, I was just thinking about doing that at this stage anyway (looked at the credit card balances before - not very healthy)

Just went and found out about the insurance and as long as they don't cost much and are the only modification i am doing then it won't cost extra (that is out of the words of the head office) so I'll be getting them

.... of course they won't cost much ...... You'd only have to worry about that if the vehicle was written off, and they'll shaft you then anyway unless it's an agreed value policy.

I've added loads of gear onto my policy and haven't once been asked to pay extra!

Kell wrote:David, I was just thinking about doing that at this stage anyway (looked at the credit card balances before - not very healthy)

Just went and found out about the insurance and as long as they don't cost much and are the only modification i am doing then it won't cost extra (that is out of the words of the head office) so I'll be getting them

make sure that anything and everytthing is in writing..



Why am I telling you this.. you work for a solicitor, you should know this!!!

HeathGQ wrote:

Kell wrote:David, I was just thinking about doing that at this stage anyway (looked at the credit card balances before - not very healthy)

Just went and found out about the insurance and as long as they don't cost much and are the only modification i am doing then it won't cost extra (that is out of the words of the head office) so I'll be getting them

make sure that anything and everytthing is in writing..



Why am I telling you this.. you work for a solicitor, you should know this!!!

Hence why I got the girl at the insurance place to write down the names of ALL the people she talked to.

Ideally they should send out a new policy wording with all the extras listed. That's what DGA have done with me; but I know my last insurer didn't- and when you received the yearly renewal there was nothing listed either

kell did you end up getting the cat changed ?

Haven't had it done yet, I am going to call another place today to get a quote. Took the car in on Saturday to a place in Gympie he looked at it and quoted $230.00 - $240.00 fitted so unless this other place comes in cheaper I'll be getting it done on Monday. I have decided after much deliberation not to get the extractors done at this time (quoted $300.00 - $350.00 fitted for them) as I need to get new wheel bearings and tyres...I have prioritised ( ) so they will probably get done later on this year.

Well guys convertor goes in on Monday so I will post and let you know how its going on Tuesday. I rang 2 different places and got 2 very similar quotes ($10.00 difference) so I have gone with the place in Gympie. Keep you all posted

Kell, we would need to check if Feroza and Rocky rear springs are the same. If so, I may (read probably) have a brand new (one week old) pair of Dobinsons rear springs for sale. When I ordered them I asked for a 2 inch lift, but it isnt enough for me, so I am trying another route. Read about them in the Latest Improvements thread. You were originally looking for suspension upgrade as well, wernt you?

According to the part numbers on Dobinsons site there are two different part numbers for rear leafs for F300 and F70-85.