Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hey all i have a 89 Pathfinder and im really happy with its performance, But its not all it can be. I just had a couple of questions to ask.
A) Anyone know any information in Australia for the SAS conversion, such as where can i buy the parts and is there someone that has done one befor and willing to swing some advice my way.
B) Its Z24 at the moment and i want to do the TD27 conversion but its difficult finding an engine and gearbox. Any hints on where i can pick one up or best place to look.
C) I only brought this car because it was something original, But should i forget about all that bull and just try and stay of my lid and get a Mighty! Troll instead? Haha

Kind Regards Russ.

With all the money and labour involved in a SAS you could buy a nice Troll and be happy with it.

What else have you done to it? There are other things I would do first, lockers for starters.

Have you looked at stuff like this: http://purenissan.com/suspension2.htm ?

For engine swaps what about a VG30 or even a buick V6 from a commodore?

ando has a patrol axle under his d21, im sure he will post up soon

the decision to change vehicle will depend on $$$$ and your intended outcome
there’s just about everything available for patrols off the shelf
as for a d21, im sure you already know, aftermarket gear is few & far between

they are both good vehicles

Is it possible to swap the cab onto a chassis with solid axles all round???

Iv got an 87 pathy, go out on a leg and build something different.

They look tuff as with big muddies filling out the guards

50/50 so far so could be worth it but all depends on $$$$$$$$

Positives to a patrol: everything you want is already there and easily done.

Negatives to a patrol: big, heavy, lard arsed, pain in the ass to drive in tight spaces

You fill in the positives to the pathy.

haha Cheers for the input guys.
Yeah i got some 31 muddies under it at the moment
and i was sposed to contact Redlands 4x4 Centre
about lockers after Easter but havnt got
around to it yet. The positives about my pathy is
that even though it is stock standard i can afford to
throw it down the rough track every now and again
but if i had a troll id probably be more hesitant to go
some places just as its size and expence is much
greater. Once it has lockers the only thing that
would annoy me is my flex at the front with inderpendant
suspension. and the fact that 33's are so much nicer then
31's :p Yeah pictures would be awesome too.

I say go for the SAS !

I was in the same though pattern with my NL Paj, id put the locker in the front and done the suspension, long range tank etc and thought it would be my perfect car if it had a solid front axle. In my head the budget was $5-10k and I could live with that for the unique vehicle it would produce.

But then I saw a 4.2td GU in good nick and thought the extra room/comfort etc was worth the $$ to buy it. I bought it and its ok, not earth shatteringly great but ok. I figure I will have to spend the same $5-10k on it to get it how I want.

Looking back (as much as I anticipate the GU turning into a great truck) I wish I had stuck to my guns and did the SAS on the Paj.

Think long and hard about what you want out of your truck, because doing an SAS and paying someone to do it, will always cost more than anticipated.

But then you WILL have a unique truck to be proud of.

cookie monster

do you really want to put anything above $5000 worth of SAS into a cheap as Pathy? Then spending another couple of thousand on engine and gearbox and all the other bits and peices.

A SAS is not just a simple little weekend job it is a complex job that requires good fabricating skills, understanding of steering geometry and the changes that will be made when doing the swap. Then there is all the little niggly things that always go with something like this.

A guy in the members section did a SAS on a Rodeo and spent about $8000 on just getting that done from memory.

Do you even know if you legally can do it, have you spoken to an engineer and/or your states road authourity?

Once you have lockers I don't think the IFS travel will bother you that much in real world use. Maybe for ramping but not for actually driving stuff.

clearly andos is the black on silver

Thats what im talking about. Im a diesel fitter so i understand the fabrication and i can do all the steering myself its just the fact that i dont know what diff is going to roughly be around the same length as my rear. Hell yeah how hard is it to do the V6 and T700 transplant it needs a heart fusion the old girl ill post some pics up once i figure out how too.

how hard is it?

how handy are you?
new mounts had to be fabricated. so welding is required.
being efi there was lots of wiring. i had a complete donor vehicle so i pulled the entire loom out, stripped it down to just the bits i wanted then fitted it wire by wire in the pathy. it turned out very very good, never had a drama with the stuff ive done.

it goes like a cut snake however torque is not the best
in hindsight i wished i had done a nissan diesel. either td27 with some big mods or a zd30.

grimbo wrote:do you really want to put anything above $5000 worth of SAS into a cheap as Pathy? Then spending another couple of thousand on engine and gearbox and all the other bits and peices.

Doesnt matter what he puts his 5 grand into he will never get it back. In reality his probably going to get more back putting it into a pathy then say a patrol.
Last i checked a GU patrol for example with mud's and a lift are selling at pretty close too or less then a standard example that has done little hardcore off roading. Mostly due to vehicle damage and also the "its been F%$Ked with factor"

An SAS'd Pathy actually becomes worth something because it can be used and is individual. He would get a much better return on his investment so to speak. But you would need to draw the line somewhere.

I personally wouldnt do it because i cant fab anything myself. if you can why not?

Jacked wrote:

grimbo wrote:do you really want to put anything above $5000 worth of SAS into a cheap as Pathy? Then spending another couple of thousand on engine and gearbox and all the other bits and peices.

Doesnt matter what he puts his 5 grand into he will never get it back. In reality his probably going to get more back putting it into a pathy then say a patrol.
Last i checked a GU patrol for example with mud's and a lift are selling at pretty close too or less then a standard example that has done little hardcore off roading. Mostly due to vehicle damage and also the "its been F%$Ked with factor"

An SAS'd Pathy actually becomes worth something because it can be used and is individual. He would get a much better return on his investment so to speak. But you would need to draw the line somewhere.

I personally wouldnt do it because i cant fab anything myself. if you can why not?

I dont agree, engineered vehicle are not everyones cup of tea, if you think a pootrol would be hard to sell, then a modified pathy would be harder.

at least if you buy a modified patrol you will get about the same back, or buy a stocker modify it but keep the old stuff, then when you go to sell restock it and sell the bits.

but i would never spend the coin sasing an 80's pathy.

you also mentioned that you would feel hesitant to take the patrol where you would take the pathy. i think you would feel so much more confident in the patrol that it would be the other way around.

just my 2c.

Jacked wrote:An SAS'd Pathy actually becomes worth something because

he is in Qld, rear here 23000000 times, that SAS is illegal, SAS car value = $0.00

bogged wrote:

Jacked wrote:An SAS'd Pathy actually becomes worth something because

he is in Qld, rear here 23000000 times, that SAS is illegal, SAS car value = $0.00

Its a pathy its worth 0 to begin with. spend 5 get 2 back. People buy things if there legal or not..... just need the right buyer or part it out.
if people buy jeeps people will buy an sas'd pathy. Resale means nothing anyway if he plans on keeping it anyway. It would be capable as anything else out there. If its worth spending 5 grand on it to him then its money well spent.
i dont need aircon, carpet, electric windows, storage systems, glove box fridges, seat heaters, electric seats, climate control, alloy wheels, coil suspension, sunroofs, tinted windows etc etc etc. So i would be looking at what iv got to make better instead of other cars. But im not too worried about being road legal and its my opinion.

He would feel hesitant to take the patrol because he wouldnt want to damage it, You know the loving feeling when you get a "new" car.

there have been some gq's worth looking at in for sale recently, they are one of the most forgiving cars to drive and easy to drive off road. I doubt you would have any concerns once you have a patrol offroad, it will drive stuff easy compared to pounding the parthy.

I could do the SAS myself but wouldn't bother for the hassels and cost when patrols are cheap and what you end up with after sassing a parthy will proberbly be similar anyway but proberly not as strong.

i looked at doing this myself to a 90 pathy, but ended up getting a patrol.

If your looking for a diff housing, you could look up vsickspathy, he did a sas on his using a mk/mq front housing, apparently it has the same WMS-WMS as the pathy rear.




maso

depends on the wheel you do too. front locker might fix your woes but what about the weak steering? there's no real fix for that. you'll always have to get a wheel alginment when you spend a weekend in the scrub but with a solid axle you'll be right unless you do something silly.

yorgerg wrote:you could look up vsickspathy

thats the vehicle pictured above

sw1 wrote:

yorgerg wrote:you could look up vsickspathy

thats the vehicle pictured above

I thought his was silver over red, not silver over black?




maso

Its settled then any one want to buy an 89 pathfinder? haha
Thanks for your input guys. I Chased around and although i can
do it myself it will end up cheaper buying a pootroll.
In saying that would you buy a 66 holden HR or a 95 holden
it all comes down to originality. Sas'd pathy would be cool but
im pretty sure im going to pass more pathfinders in the bog with a
troll then pass a troll in the bog with a pathfinder.

I don't know where the 5 k figure comes from.. Try halving that.