Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:31 am**

My rego is almost due on my Cruiser and im thinking of getting "Conditional Registration' for it here in nsw.

I picked up a brochure at the rta and it says;

"Conditional Registration is available for vehicles that do not comply with Australian Design Rules. These vehicles are built to perform speciic functions and require limited access to the road network and accordingly, qualify for conditional registration. They include plant, all-terrain, historic, recreational, street rod and purpose built vehicles, such as golf buggies"

And

"the operator must belong to an RTA-recognised vehicle club"

and

" Conditionally registered vehicles are issues with a registration certificate and label and a set of number plates. A Certificate of Approved Operations sets out the conditions imposed on the vehicle when driven on the road or road related area. This certificate is required by law and must be carried in the vehicle at all times."

And

“CTP insurance, provided by QBE Insurance PTY LTD is issued as part of the conditional registration transaction.”

Now the best part is, if your vehicle belongs to a street rod or historic car club, you don’t need a pink slip. Your club is responsible for conducting a ‘inspection’ and must complete a ‘club authorisation form’ declaring that your vehicle meets the clubs standards.

But it gets better, if your vehicle is not a street rod, or a historic vehicle, (say its a ‘all-terrain’ vehicle, which the RTA suggests is a vehicle the same or similar to, a sand buggy driven on Stockton beach)

Then you are required to complete a self declaration, of the vehicles road worthiness.

The Certificate of Approved Operations is then set by the RTA according to the vehicles use. They give the example of a Street Rod that attends ‘Club Drives’ less than 2 times per month.

There are a heap of trailer queen rigs out there that need rego (and CTP) for comps.

With conditional registration, your vehicle, that doesn’t meet ADRs, could technically be driven to and from events, on the road.

So,

Why don’t we register our cars like this ?

Am I missing something?

Has anyone been down this road ?

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:11 am**

i was planning on looking into it when my car is going.
from what i have read so far , you need to define a specific purpose. one example was "mines rescue vehicle"
for your cruiser, you could probably get away with "mardi gras recruitment vehicle"

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:24 am**

Yes it has been done for years in Tas and there are 2 main types.

Type 1;
The origional RV rego. Off road vehicles designed for off-road use that may need to be driven on road for a short time. i.e farm bike or 4x4 to cover the property or track buggy, park at a shop in a town and drive the buggy to the start of the track. You only pay for rego and some of the normal insurance costs. The good part is you get 10k on the road as often as you like without normal rego costs.

Type 2;
SI rego. A new one so that "special interest" vehicles that aren't daily drivers can still be taken on club runs. This is mostly seen on early holdens etc but can only be driven 52 times a year and a log book must be kept.

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:25 am**

What does this conditional rego cost ?

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:31 am**

Im sure you could come up with something under "Club and Competition use"

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:18 pm**

Mate how good is this? I only whish something like this could be done in Queensland :bad-words:

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:44 pm**

Wendle wrote:i was planning on looking into it when my car is going.
from what i have read so far , you need to define a specific purpose. one example was "mines rescue vehicle"
for your cruiser, you could probably get away with "mardi gras recruitment vehicle"

i tried this, but my largerphone wasn't authentic enough

can i borrow yours ?

:finger:

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:49 pm**

planb wrote:
Wendle wrote:i was planning on looking into it when my car is going.
from what i have read so far , you need to define a specific purpose. one example was "mines rescue vehicle"
for your cruiser, you could probably get away with "mardi gras recruitment vehicle"

i tried this, but my largerphone wasn't authentic enough

can i borrow yours ?

yep.

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:29 pm**

Wendle wrote:
planb wrote:
Wendle wrote:i was planning on looking into it when my car is going.
from what i have read so far , you need to define a specific purpose. one example was "mines rescue vehicle"
for your cruiser, you could probably get away with "mardi gras recruitment vehicle"

i tried this, but my largerphone wasn't authentic enough

can i borrow yours ?

you can only borrow it wearing a hat with a label "PRESS" slightly askew

yep.

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:08 pm**

fieldsy wrote:Mate how good is this? I only whish something like this could be done in Queensland

can be done in qld, well it was okay 10 yrs ago..

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:21 pm**

I had a very serious attempt to get the lockless registered like this. There is a guy that lives close to me that has a lot to do with the setting up of the registration system and he was sure that he could get my rig registered but main roads knocked it back.

The way I see this happening is that the scheme has lots and lots of very specific vehicle classes that can be registered. Like tractor or bobcat or golf buggy or grader or dirt bike or off road quad bike etc. Each catagory has very specific requirements. If you look through the vehicle category you will see that something like the lockless doesent quite fit. Basically its too big and heavy to be a quad bike (and a quad bike has to have centre tiller steering) and the other close one was something like an off road utility vehicle but this has to be less than 1200kg (close) and have a maximum speed or 20km/h (I recon the lockless should be good for about 200km/h). All the other vehicle classes were way off and not even close. To get something like the lockless registered we really need another catagory. Something like what a "razor" (a motobike engined 4 wheeler) or a Rhino buggy would fit into. This guy tried to setup a new catagory for this sort of vehical which then my rig could squeze into but transport knocked it back. Basically it said that a vehicle of this type would be built to absolutely no Aust standards (aparantly every other vehicle catagory would still be built to some Aust standards - just not motor vehicle standards) so the rig could be absolutely anything. So no go.

Basically if you look at the catagories the basis of the whole setup is that something that is fast (like a motobike or quad) must be light and something that is heavy must be slow (like a tractor). Something that is big and fast like the lockless is really a car and must be registered as such.

It would be possible to just fill out the forms, do the self evaluation and send off your money and they will send back the plates but this wouldnt be of any use when the shiat hits the fan. May as well just run normal registered plates.

Still may be possible though but I couldnt make it happen for the lockless.

Sam

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:27 pm**

So how does say a offroad dune buggy get registered

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:33 pm**

spazbot wrote:So how does say a offroad dune buggy get registered

Im thinkin they were registered b4 they were reincarnated into a buggy???

TOM

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:34 pm**

so has any actually got a 4x4 registered in this way ?

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:37 pm**

ive just read the application form, and i dont think you will get a 4wd through with this type of rego, it specfically mentions stockon beach for registering a all terrain vechile, unless you could pass a buggy as a "street rod"
but we need lots of chrome for that

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/publicationss ... 070939.pdf

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:38 pm**

Dont mind the idea of this at all. Though i still think it may be a little restrictive as u may still need to make the occasional trip thats lengthy to get to where u want to go and may be way over the aloud km's limit.

screwy

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:38 pm**

and just to let u kno
the nsw rego scheme for hotrods / club rego
u still need to get a proper rego inspection / pink slip

but the rules changed recently an they have limited the rego inspection places to keep a closer eye on things

so it was incorrectly stated that they didnt get inspected by anyone other than a club member / official type person

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:45 am**

dune buggies are rego'd with recreational vehicle permits and still have to be trailered. But you could probably get you offroad buggies rego'd as RV's.

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:16 am**

spazbot wrote:as a "street rod" but we need lots of chrome for that

Big W Has chrome paint $9.98 a tin... :armsup:

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:15 pm**

MY45 wrote:dune buggies are rego'd with recreational vehicle permits and still have to be trailered. But you could probably get you offroad buggies rego'd as RV's.

This was the sort of thing that I was chasing. Couldnt fine an actual Dune Buggy clasification - if there is one do you have details.

The sort of conditional rego that I was trying to get would have been similar to dirt bikes and quads where you wernt allowed to drive on the roads except for 100m to load it on a trailer. You were allowed to cross roads and drive in other certain restricted places (like state forests, airports, carparks and a few others)

Does anyone know of a dune buggy type rig that has been registered this way for offroad use. Im talking a full tube machine and not a VW Beetle with a fiberglass top that is still registered as a VW Baeetle.

Sam

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:30 pm**

Sam

I just obtained a State Forest permit for Beerburrum etc. and the application form stated that vehicles must be registered, and conditional registration is not acceptable.

Scott

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:01 pm**

Sam, when i worked for AHE we built that 6wd hydrostatic drive forrestry machine 10m long and 20ton and got ICV provisional reg for access of forrestry trails. can be done for any vehicle but the paperwork and cost was almost rediculous, we had 3 engineers working on the proposal for nearly a month. and then they still whinged, even though the project was subsidised by a government grant

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Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:06 pm**

Tasrocky wrote:Yes it has been done for years in Tas and there are 2 main types.

Type 1;
The origional RV rego. Off road vehicles designed for off-road use that may need to be driven on road for a short time. i.e farm bike or 4x4 to cover the property or track buggy, park at a shop in a town and drive the buggy to the start of the track. You only pay for rego and some of the normal insurance costs. The good part is you get 10k on the road as often as you like without normal rego costs.

So can we get type 1 down here in tassie if you aren't a primary producer? I'm thinking of building up a 4X4 that will be limited in its road usage to getting to and from the trails, but I live in Hobart...
It would be nice to have cheaper rego (more in line with its use) and more freedom in modification...

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:40 pm**

didn't rhino buggies get the HAMMER done for street rego.

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:39 pm**

customhilux wrote:didn't rhino buggies get the HAMMER done for street rego.

Yes but they complied to full ADRs for the donor vehicle (MQ patrol I think).

Sam

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:58 pm**

NJ SWB wrote:Sam

I just obtained a State Forest permit for Beerburrum etc. and the application form stated that vehicles must be registered, and conditional registration is not acceptable.

Scott

mmm I have my two Buggies on Concessional Registration here in QLD and have Permits to use them on Bribie, Stradbroke, Mt Mee National Park and a few others over the years. I have never had any issues with getting permits or the RTA. It cost $160 per year.

To get it you need to be a member of an incorporated club (www.manxclub.org) and for it to be over 30years of age. My buggy is built on a 1961 Chassis number.

Conditional Registration is another kettle of fish in QLD and is not for road use vehicles. All the old cars are on Concessional as are the weird ass Military vehicles etc.

As ADR's don't apply pre 71 all I need to comply with is the safety standards of the time, which in 1961 were not a lot.

Maybe your approach should be basing it on some old ass military vehicle like a Blitz and getting Concessional Rego. You still need a full QLD RWC but it is only looked at in relation to the standard of the year of manufacture.

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:03 pm**

Brad wrote:mmm I have my two Buggies on Concessional Registration here in QLD and have Permits to use them on Bribie, Stradbroke, Mt Mee National Park and a few others over the years. I have never had any issues with getting permits or the RTA. It cost $160 per year.

thats one thing though, every state is different.. which sux..

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:53 am**

fieldsy wrote:Mate how good is this? I only whish something like this could be done in Queensland

There *IS* something like this in QLD, strangely enough it's called "CONDITIONAL REGISTRATION".

What a coincidence

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTAS ... n_homepage

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:05 am**

Yeah the idea of using a pre-adr vehicle is a really solid one but finding a pre 71 Patrol, Cruiser or Suzuki is pretty damn hard :(

Guess that a Series Landrover could quite easily make the cut, especially an ex-army one. At least the rover boys can get away with it.

Hmmmm... Datsun 1600 - 1969 model with some new diffs and a transfer case

Then it's just a case of substituting appropriate newer stuff in to make it work the way you want.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:14 am**

Like Strangerover said, it can't be done in QLD for a 4wd type vehicle.

Concessional rego in QLD is only for vehicles that never complied with ADR's or cannot be made to. While it looks like you could get unlimited access to QLD road system, and cheap rego for your tube creation it just aint so in reality.

If it is based on a donor vehicle that once complied with a set of ADR's you either have to comply with mod codes or go ICV.

If its something like a tube buggy your only option is ICV.

Cheers
Daryl