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Hey peoples,

Just picked up one of these 08 Patrol ST 3.0TDs...Just waiting on delivery...

Now after purchasing this vehicle, I noticed a few bad comments regarding the 3.0l engine with them being referred to as 'Grenades'. Have the 08 Patrol got the same engine people seem to bad mouth or have they upgraded the engine? being that Nissan now only sell the 3.0TD and not offer the 4.2 etc... Am I up for trouble later?

Advice muchly appreciated.

Jarrod

i have seen within my dealership any such issue with the commonrail engine , the direct injection 3 litre that is now not made anymore on the other hand is a different story however blowups with them is a rare occurance now. your one will be a commonrail and you should have no problems with it. just make sure you always use good quality fuel in it as the common rail pump is easy killed with shit. , fuel filters are cheap insurance however genuine ones in your case are pretty dear

IN24BZ wrote:i have seen within my dealership any such issue with the commonrail engine , the direct injection 3 litre that is now not made anymore on the other hand is a different story however blowups with them is a rare occurance now. your one will be a commonrail and you should have no problems with it. just make sure you always use good quality fuel in it as the common rail pump is easy killed with shit. , fuel filters are cheap insurance however genuine ones in your case are pretty dear

Ta mate for your reply. So there isnt an option for using a generic fuel pump inline somewhere or will I have to go genuine etc.

Ta once again

Jarrod

Just an FYI.

BIG GQ wrote:

cj wrote:Just out of curiosity have they actually sorted the issues with the ZD30 or is it still ongoing and if it has been sorted can the older models be upgraded? I have heard different things about sump capacity and oil in the breather getting on the sensor and causing spikes or coming back through the intake manifold. Surely it must have been sorted by now.

I know of 3 of the latest common rail ZD30's in GU that have gone bang and one navara

coxy321 wrote:Just an FYI.

BIG GQ wrote:

cj wrote:Just out of curiosity have they actually sorted the issues with the ZD30 or is it still ongoing and if it has been sorted can the older models be upgraded? I have heard different things about sump capacity and oil in the breather getting on the sensor and causing spikes or coming back through the intake manifold. Surely it must have been sorted by now.

I know of 3 of the latest common rail ZD30's in GU that have gone bang and one navara

I also know plenty of people with ZD30s that have had no issues at all either.

T_Diesel wrote:

coxy321 wrote:Just an FYI.

BIG GQ wrote:

cj wrote:Just out of curiosity have they actually sorted the issues with the ZD30 or is it still ongoing and if it has been sorted can the older models be upgraded? I have heard different things about sump capacity and oil in the breather getting on the sensor and causing spikes or coming back through the intake manifold. Surely it must have been sorted by now.

I know of 3 of the latest common rail ZD30's in GU that have gone bang and one navara

I also know plenty of people with ZD30s that have had no issues at all either.

True. If you take into consideration the number of vehicles sold with ZD30's (maybe tens of thousands??), compared to the number of vehicles with "issues", its probably not that bad. However in this day and age you would expect a better hit/miss ratio.

coxy321 wrote:

T_Diesel wrote:

coxy321 wrote:Just an FYI.

BIG GQ wrote:

cj wrote:Just out of curiosity have they actually sorted the issues with the ZD30 or is it still ongoing and if it has been sorted can the older models be upgraded? I have heard different things about sump capacity and oil in the breather getting on the sensor and causing spikes or coming back through the intake manifold. Surely it must have been sorted by now.

I know of 3 of the latest common rail ZD30's in GU that have gone bang and one navara

I also know plenty of people with ZD30s that have had no issues at all either.

True. If you take into consideration the number of vehicles sold with ZD30's (maybe tens of thousands??), compared to the number of vehicles with "issues", its probably not that bad. However in this day and age you would expect a better hit/miss ratio.

Yes and no... I personally think it boils down to how the manufacturers deal with the problem. I believe that there are lemon vehicles in every make and model.

A client of mines son bought a Subaru WRX STi which was aparently quite unique in terms of the rims / colour etc and there were only ever two of its kind in Australia.

He had it on a hoist six months after he bought it and noticed some surface rust developing under the vehicle. He approached Subaru about it and turned out that the vehicle had been taken to a salt pan for some commercial shooting unknowingly by the Subaru marketing department.

Subaru replaced the vehicle with a brand new STi no questions asked.

T_Diesel wrote:

coxy321 wrote:Just an FYI.

BIG GQ wrote:

cj wrote:Just out of curiosity have they actually sorted the issues with the ZD30 or is it still ongoing and if it has been sorted can the older models be upgraded? I have heard different things about sump capacity and oil in the breather getting on the sensor and causing spikes or coming back through the intake manifold. Surely it must have been sorted by now.

I know of 3 of the latest common rail ZD30's in GU that have gone bang and one navara

I also know plenty of people with ZD30s that have had no issues at all either.

bogged wrote:

Good one bogged, always the quickest with the positive comments ay

Jarrod, they are fine, just install boost and EGT gauges (which should come with all new high tech diesels) and a blow-by catch can to minimise the EGR mixing with the blow-by oil.

Enjoy your new truck...

Cheers,
Whitie

Going by percentages through our dealership I reckon that ZD30 & TD42 engine rebuilds are about even under warranty. Considering that ZD30 patrols were about 85% of sales & the TD42 were less than 10%, it is obvious that 3LT patrols would look worse in the rebuild stakes. I have seen ZD30 patrols with over 500,000km on them with the original engine & no mods without failing & I have seen TD42 engines fail with less than 20,000km. Neither engine is perfect. I have seen 4.2 owner drive 3.o Patrols & say they wish they swapped to the 3.0 sooner & also the other way around. It is all upto what the owner wants.

zd30 CRD is now 2yrs in the country.

no disaster stories yet.

id say you're safe. just keep good fuel in it..

Thanks for all your replies. With people smashing the older version of the 3.0TD engine and not knowing if Nissan had done their homework in removing problem areas, I guess I was a little worried about the new engines.

I have been advised to get an EGT guage and a boost guage etc. Will keep you posted when I eventually get my new toy.


Jarrod

jakam04 wrote:Hey peoples,

Just picked up one of these 08 Patrol ST 3.0TDs...Just waiting on delivery...

Now after purchasing this vehicle, I noticed a few bad comments regarding the 3.0l engine with them being referred to as 'Grenades'. Have the 08 Patrol got the same engine people seem to bad mouth or have they upgraded the engine? being that Nissan now only sell the 3.0TD and not offer the 4.2 etc... Am I up for trouble later?

Advice muchly appreciated.

Jarrod

You know what surprises me Jarrod? Is that you've waited until AFTER you've ordered the thing and then noticed the aformentioned bad reputation. Did you not hear of it before? And if not, what rock have you been hiding under?

Not trying to be a smart arse but seriously, what is the car costing you .... $60K?? And you never googled or researched it before buying???? Wow thats .... errrr novel.

I hope it turns out to be a good one for you when it arrives

Simo63 wrote:

jakam04 wrote:Hey peoples,

Just picked up one of these 08 Patrol ST 3.0TDs...Just waiting on delivery...

Now after purchasing this vehicle, I noticed a few bad comments regarding the 3.0l engine with them being referred to as 'Grenades'. Have the 08 Patrol got the same engine people seem to bad mouth or have they upgraded the engine? being that Nissan now only sell the 3.0TD and not offer the 4.2 etc... Am I up for trouble later?

Advice muchly appreciated.

Jarrod

You know what surprises me Jarrod? Is that you've waited until AFTER you've ordered the thing and then noticed the aformentioned bad reputation. Did you not hear of it before? And if not, what rock have you been hiding under?

Not trying to be a smart arse but seriously, what is the car costing you .... $60K?? And you never googled or researched it before buying???? Wow thats .... errrr novel.

I hope it turns out to be a good one for you when it arrives

Yeah... I could have done some more work on history etc, but I guess my faith in the Nissan gods were clouding my judgement

Ive always been a Toyota fourby driver and havent had much to do with Nissans apart from the occasional slagging of mates who drive them... and now Im going to be one lol

Ive spoken to a few people and seem to get a different answer from each. In the end... its an Odds game.. as every model of car have had their share of people claiming their car is a lemon. The car is costing me $55k give or take a K or so with a few extras put on...

Jarrod sorry for the slow reply but in regards to using an inline pump no the commonrail pump is much like a regular diesels injector pump however the commonrail one presurises the fuel to B.S. pressures , so dont try and crack an injector line with a spanner for any reason strait after its been running or wile it is , you might only get to do it once if you do.

you shall be right mate..... bad stories are thinning! if worried simply sell when warranty runs out in 3 yrs

my warranty runs out next month tick tick tick