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I herd from the boys at ARB newey today that the state gov were changing the laws regarding to vehicle modification. Something about a 50mm lift was all you could do and that anything over a 35" was deemed ilegal. Has any one heard this cause im about to buy 37"s and we know how much the cops will be all over this if its true.

GAV666 wrote:I herd from the boys at ARB newey today that the state gov were changing the laws regarding to vehicle modification. Something about a 50mm lift was all you could do and that anything over a 35" was deemed ilegal. Has any one heard this cause im about to buy 37"s and we know how much the cops will be all over this if its true.

haha......good luck even getting 35's legal nowadays.

37's on the road?..................now thats just being silly

do a search for 'NCOP' on here... has been spoken about a few times

But will the coppers really pull ya up on it.

GAV666 wrote:But will the coppers really pull ya up on it.

it hasnt been adopted by most (all?) states yet, so its still up to state laws.

It's been set down as guide lines in Vic, in a really loose sort of way.
Probably be a while before it's adopted rigidly. We are talkling about several different state authorities being expected to actually agree to a standard

I mentioned this in another thread a few weeks ago: The RTA sent a letter to all signatories stating that the NCOP is NOT in use in NSW, and will not be adopted until amendments are made to it that make it acceptable to the RTA. There is absolutely no indication of a timeframe for this.

Also in another thread in the past few weeks, the RTA is now saying that tyres more than 2" iincrease in diameter over standard require an "abridged brake test" on each and every vehicle separately. The test is quite harsh, theoretically requires a race track or similar and you'd have to expect to throw away a set of tyres after doing it, and possibly discs and pads.

Even before this all started up, it was impossible to make 37" tyres legal on most 4WDs, because the maximum engineerable rim width on a 4WD is 8" unless the original manufacturer says otherwise.

Athol

Athol did you ever get any feedback on your proposal to use previously brake tested vehicles performance test results as something which is transferable to like vehicles? Likewise to do the calculations with rerated GVM/GCM's?

as far as i knew 33''s were the biggest leagal size but im not 100%, ive been running 37''s everywhere for the last 2yrs & had no worries maybe just lucky??

just fit mog diffs then you can go 42"

hillbilliywheelchair wrote:just fit mog diffs then you can go 42"

if you supply the finance then sure

gq351 wrote:as far as i knew 33''s were the biggest leagal size

I've read on here the "tyre manual" says 32 on patrols.

I said i would get to you all, here is the reply from the office of the minister in question.

"We have been advised that:

* National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP) is a document being developed by the Australian Motor Vehicle Certification Board Working Party (AMVCB).

* NCOP aims to provide a national standard for light vehicle modifications and certification in an effort to reach a nationally consistent standard.

* All State and Territory registration authorities as well as industry groups and members of the public with an interest in light vehicle modifications have been involved in providing input into the development of the NCOP.

* Major industry groups and stakeholders including MTAQ , RACQ,YAME, CVIAQ, AAAA and Queensland Police Service were notified by the Department of Transport and Main Roads (DTMR) when the period of public comment opened.

* Period of public comment has recently been completed with comments and changes to be considered at the next AMVCB meeting on June 15th.

* The Department of Transport and Main Roads has been involved with the development of NCOP for many years with the view of adopting the code when finalised.

* Currently no definite date is available for the implementation of NCOP due to the development and legal process involved.

* The current draft of the NCOP is available for viewing on the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government website, published as Vehicle Standards Bulletin (VSB) 14.(
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... _ncop.aspx)

I hope this will help clarify your enquiry"

SCANAS wrote:
* Currently no definite date is available for the implementation of NCOP due to the development and legal process involved.
"

so nothing has changed and nothing will change in any foreseeable future

Yeah that's what it sounds like.
I think they said public discussion closed on the 15th june.
Prob be another year at least

bogged wrote:

gq351 wrote:as far as i knew 33''s were the biggest leagal size

I've read on here the "tyre manual" says 32 on patrols.

The copy of the tyre size page in the GU handbook that you posted has a factory size on it that is 32.5inches tall.

Even by the QLD rule of plus 15mm. 33s are legal on a GU

The other thing that is not well known is, in Qld at least, you can't go down a rim size. So the majority of hiluxes on 15s are technically illegaly modified but you would have to be unlucky to get done for it.

Also it is not only the hieght of the tyre you need to be aware of but the width aswell. That is because you can get done for being over tracked on you're axles. I think by memory Qld allows 50mm over track for 4wds but don't quote me on that

Matt_85Lux wrote:The other thing that is not well known is, in Qld at least, you can't go down a rim size. So the majority of hiluxes on 15s are technically illegaly modified but you would have to be unlucky to get done for it.

Also it is not only the hieght of the tyre you need to be aware of but the width aswell. That is because you can get done for being over tracked on you're axles. I think by memory Qld allows 50mm over track for 4wds but don't quote me on that

26mm track width for IFS, and 50mm track width for solid axles

(you can gain 13/25mm's on either side of the vehicle)

very interesting article about NCOP in latest 4wd action mag

Matt_85Lux wrote:The other thing that is not well known is, in Qld at least, you can't go down a rim size. So the majority of hiluxes on 15s are technically illegaly modified but you would have to be unlucky to get done for it.

Got any reference to that as it's the first I've heard and I can't really think of any reason why the authorities would give a damn if a smaller rim was used - as long as the overal tyre diameter was within specs and the width etc was adhered to.....But rim size I doubt it (happy to be proved wrong).

Load carring capacity increases as rim size does.

Another reason 16" tyres are near $100 more expensive each than 15", and 17" are nearly $150/tyre more expensive again I guess

grimbo wrote:

SCANAS wrote:
* Currently no definite date is available for the implementation of NCOP due to the development and legal process involved.
"

so nothing has changed and nothing will change in any foreseeable future

Well, the engineers we've been dealing with have been working in accordance with the NCOP for ages.

Steve.

Can't wait until QLD brings it in. Means we can do more and be legal.
At the moment, QLD mod laws are just plain stupid

They are currently working through version 2 of the NCOP. This was due to be finished at the end of last month but there are some major issues that have presented that are being worked through. I have no doubt that NSW will come across to the NCOP as soon as the latest addition is released. QLD is a separate issue becuase they have passed theirs are an act of parliment and it would require a lot more to change it than other states. I have been working with the NCOP in the ACT for a while now and it is fine, it would certainly be of benifit to have something Australia wide so that we don't have to keep stuffing around with vehicles when they move interstate.

Cheers
Paul

nelpd96 wrote:They are currently working through version 2 of the NCOP. This was due to be finished at the end of last month but there are some major issues that have presented that are being worked through. I have no doubt that NSW will come across to the NCOP as soon as the latest addition is released. QLD is a separate issue becuase they have passed theirs are an act of parliment and it would require a lot more to change it than other states. I have been working with the NCOP in the ACT for a while now and it is fine, it would certainly be of benifit to have something Australia wide so that we don't have to keep stuffing around with vehicles when they move interstate.
Cheers
Paul

If thats the rationale then there should be no need to tighten any of the rules that we are currently under - for example a max of 6" combined lift and stipulations of the lifts composition - I mean, thats not really important stuff if the aim if just to have a national approach is it. It seems like a lot of time and money for something that perhaps doesnt affect a lot of people with respect to the 4WD related guidelines. Or is the agenda a little broader than this and has something to do with people that buy unsafe cars and want the world around them changed to make their cheapness and lack of personal safety the responsibility of everybody else but them. Or is it the people that get upset because they cant see through a 4WD that want them banned, or........ not ever anything to do with those that buy them and use them.

I hope NSW rejects it again.

Lets be honest, the NCOP has accepted public opinion because it has had to. I'll bet that none of it is taken on board as thats what the changes between V1 and V2 looked like to me.

Bad JuJu wrote:Load carring capacity increases as rim size does.

Not always - depends on the rim & construction.

Gwagensteve wrote:

grimbo wrote:

SCANAS wrote:
* Currently no definite date is available for the implementation of NCOP due to the development and legal process involved.
"

so nothing has changed and nothing will change in any foreseeable future

Well, the engineers we've been dealing with have been working in accordance with the NCOP for ages.

Steve.

so as I said nothing has changed, as in no new laws are applicable if the engineers you are using for ages are using old guidelines. This thread is titled new laws, can't be new if they have been used for ages

grimbo wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:

grimbo wrote:

SCANAS wrote:
* Currently no definite date is available for the implementation of NCOP due to the development and legal process involved.
"

so nothing has changed and nothing will change in any foreseeable future

Well, the engineers we've been dealing with have been working in accordance with the NCOP for ages.

Steve.

so as I said nothing has changed, as in no new laws are applicable if the engineers you are using for ages are using old guidelines. This thread is titled new laws, can't be new if they have been used for ages

So you are agreeing that nothing has changed here in Vic and that we are still working to the NCOP and not the new laws which are the NCOP

if you'll notice the first guy is from NSW. He said about the new laws which as stated elsewhere NSw aren't actually going to adopt. So therefore nothing is changin and most likely wont in the foreseeable future for NSW.

As to the Victorian thing, Steve said you have been doing stuff with an enginneer based on NCOP for ages, which I interpret to mean that there are no new laws incorporated in it. unless for ages doesn't mean a long time?

i was under the impression the NCOP are currently undergoing revisions to try and big them in line with expectations from all states and users, once again hence the new laws bit.

Of course you could just nit pick and have ago instead of maybe elaborating on what your understanding and dealings are.

Yes, I do know that the original poster was talking about NSW and I also noted that NSW is not currently working to the NCOP but they have not rejected the concept of adopting the NCOP but rather the content in its current form which is not the same thing. They have been and still are party to the formulation of a NCOP. By the way you responded to SCANAS and he is in QLD and his info appears to have also come from there, not NSW but don't let that get in the way either

You know Steve is in Vic and his comments about his current contact with Engineers is Vic based. In Vic as has been stated many times before VicRoads has instructed the VASS Engineers to work to the NCOP. Nothing has changed in this regard therefore the current situation which has been in existence for probably a couple of years now is still the same. New rules for some but old rules for others. Yes, discussions are on going and neither you nor I know the timeframe for when a resolution between all States will be reached and implemented across the country but you never know, it could be in the forseeable future if they have the will.

So, to clarify then I (VIC) responded to your (VIC) response to Steve (VIC) who had responded to your (still VIC) response to SCANAS (QLD). I'm not seeing NSW anywhere there. Have I elaborated enough?

As for nitpicking well I have learned from the best