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Any idea roughly what I should expect to pay for a new head gasket + labour? Anybody in Bris wanna earn some cash?!

Anywhere up to $700 depending on what needs to be done.

The gasket is only around $70 but will most likely need intake and exhaust gaskets as well, around $50 for both, but its the labour thats the killer.
Are you good at spinning spanners?

Which engine do you have?

What makes you think it needs a new head gasket? oil in the water? water in the oil?

Would expect a full VRS Valve Regrind Set to be worth between 50 - 130.
Would be available from Sprints, Motor Traders, Repco, ebay.

Labour depends on which engine, if the head(s) need machining, etc.

my gf needed a head gasket on her 92 vit last year and we got it done at suziauto (suzisport) at springwood and it was $615 all up.

My 93 vit needed a new head since it was warped beyond repair...total cost was the wrong side of $2k, although timing belt and other sundry items were replaced as well.

mtb4x4mad wrote:My 93 vit needed a new head since it was warped beyond repair...total cost was the wrong side of $2k, although timing belt and other sundry items were replaced as well.

u got done good, thats what it is to put in a fully recod one, cost about 2k to fully reco it.

gumtree wrote:

mtb4x4mad wrote:My 93 vit needed a new head since it was warped beyond repair...total cost was the wrong side of $2k, although timing belt and other sundry items were replaced as well.

u got done good, thats what it is to put in a fully recod one, cost about 2k to fully reco it.

Just looked at the receipt - $970 for an exchange head, $800 labour, $176 for gaskets plus extras...

gumtree wrote:

mtb4x4mad wrote:My 93 vit needed a new head since it was warped beyond repair...total cost was the wrong side of $2k, although timing belt and other sundry items were replaced as well.

u got done good, thats what it is to put in a fully recod one, cost about 2k to fully reco it.

Please define "Fully Recod"?

if u got a timing belt, cam and crank seals , water pump , new head , VRS plus things like oil and coolant and hoses plus the labour costs other side ofg 2k is probly not such a bad price and as for a fully recoed engine for 2k would have cost alot more than that because it needs all of the above items to keep its warranty that is ofcoarse if u buy and repco short block ....i just reringed( rings ,bearings head done, vrs ,water pump ,tbelt , engine mounts , ect) my 1lt f10 and i got every thing wholesale and did all thet work myself and it still cost me like 900 only thing was head was done by a cylender head shop so all that then there is a mark up by the shop on parts plus labour in and out and oils and and cosumables ...so gumtree maybe u are the stupid one or u got a "full reco second hand degreased engine "

Ruffy wrote:

gumtree wrote:

mtb4x4mad wrote:My 93 vit needed a new head since it was warped beyond repair...total cost was the wrong side of $2k, although timing belt and other sundry items were replaced as well.

u got done good, thats what it is to put in a fully recod one, cost about 2k to fully reco it.

Please define "Fully Recod"?

I can answer that...

the crank is ground , new big and and main bearings , block is bored and honed and new pistons and rings . the cylinder head is fully reconditioned , the oil pump is reconditioned , new water pump , new timing belt and tensioner bearing , all seals and gaskets replaced. all parts that are reused from other engines are acid dipped and cleaned to remove carbon deposits (rockers , sump , tappet cover etc)

flaxton wrote:if u got a timing belt, cam and crank seals , water pump , new head , VRS plus things like oil and coolant and hoses plus the labour costs other side ofg 2k is probly not such a bad price and as for a fully recoed engine for 2k would have cost alot more than that because it needs all of the above items to keep its warranty that is ofcoarse if u buy and repco short block ....i just reringed( rings ,bearings head done, vrs ,water pump ,tbelt , engine mounts , ect) my 1lt f10 and i got every thing wholesale and did all thet work myself and it still cost me like 900 only thing was head was done by a cylender head shop so all that then there is a mark up by the shop on parts plus labour in and out and oils and and cosumables ...so gumtree maybe u are the stupid one or u got a "full reco second hand degreased engine "

maybe you would like to come see one assembled one day?
a full reco 1.3 is $1650 . a full reco 1.6 is $1795 , installation is $565 , then any hoses / clutch replacement is extra. so why dont you come have a look one day before spurting uniformed crap on internet forums

You see this is where we get into arguments due to the interpretation..
Suzimad, you don't sell "Fully reco" engines for $1650.00.
Fully reconditioned would mean that it has had ever facet of the engine taken back to it OE spec or better.
So.. Do you balance crankshafts? Do you machine block surfaces? do you replace all valves and seats in the head? are conrods measured for length? are bigends measured for round?
If an engine is actually "Fully Reco" then you can't sell an off the shelf reco engine for that money and stay in business.
Reco engines vary from re-ring to completely re-built, so before we try and compare apples with apples we need to check the type of apples.

Ruffy wrote:You see this is where we get into arguments due to the interpretation..
Suzimad, you don't sell "Fully reco" engines for $1650.00.
Fully reconditioned would mean that it has had ever facet of the engine taken back to it OE spec or better.
So.. Do you balance crankshafts? Do you machine block surfaces? do you replace all valves and seats in the head? are conrods measured for length? are bigends measured for round?
If an engine is actually "Fully Reco" then you can't sell an off the shelf reco engine for that money and stay in business.
Reco engines vary from re-ring to completely re-built, so before we try and compare apples with apples we need to check the type of apples.
..

this is where you are misunderstood..
you are talking of a fully blueprinted engine , not a full reco

id like to add that we can do engines that are fully reconditioned , not blueprinted like you described , because we get our work done in bulk , we send off 20 cylinder heads to get reconditioned , we send off 20 cranks to get reground , we buy 100 sets of big end and main bearings . i assume you work for repco , you know what repco stands for dont you .. i bet that 1 litre engine would of cost you less in parts if you bought the bits off us for full blown retail.
1 other thing you totally misunderstood what gumtree was saying , so learn to read before you go jumping to conclusions .

suzimad wrote:id like to add that we can do engines that are fully reconditioned , not blueprinted like you described , because we get our work done in bulk , we send off 20 cylinder heads to get reconditioned , we send off 20 cranks to get reground , we buy 100 sets of big end and main bearings . i assume you work for repco , you know what repco stands for dont you .. i bet that 1 litre engine would of cost you less in parts if you bought the bits off us for full blown retail , so pull your head in and go crawl into the hole you come from.

1 other thing you totally misunderstood what gumtree was saying , so learn to read before you go jumping to conclusions . its idiots like you that make the internet a shitty experience , i know gumtree and hes a good bloke , you are a scumbag in my eyes.

I've worked in places that "reco" 20 heads at a time and i know that whilst it may get the job done, it's done to a budget. You can't compare and off the shelf reco with a engine stripped and recoed at and engine recoditioners.. the cost is higher for a reason, that's my point... Sorry for the hijack of the thread....

if theres is anyone i trust on here its suzimad. he knows what he's talking about.

Ruffy i have never bought a reconditioned engine or got ripped but i know what they go for and the point i was making was 2k+ for 1 cracked head is a stupid price to pay when u can get a "fully reco" engine for same price. as suzimad was saying u were describing a blue printed engine and they cost more to get done coz of the extra work needed. i know someone with a blue printed engine and he pulls 110 on freeway with 31 tyres with a trailer and can still accelerate. its really good and cost an extra $200-500 from what ive heard and is worth the extra money.

so choice is 2k+ for a old engine with 1 new head, or for $200 more an engine that will last another 15 years and be stong. there is nothing stupid about what i said.

at least someone reading this thread now will know there are better options for 2k.

gumtree wrote:so choice is 2k+ for a old engine with 1 new head, or for $200 more an engine that will last another 15 years and be stong. there is nothing stupid about what i said.

at least someone reading this thread now will know there are better options for 2k.

like putting a commodore v6 in

sory couldnt resist, but i agree better options if you are keeping it for the long haul, short term maybe just finding a 2nd hand in fair condition and whacking it in is better $500 or less option

gumtree wrote:if theres is anyone i trust on here its suzimad. he knows what he's talking about.

Ruffy i have never bought a reconditioned engine or got ripped but i know what they go for and the point i was making was 2k+ for 1 cracked head is a stupid price to pay when u can get a "fully reco" engine for same price. as suzimad was saying u were describing a blue printed engine and they cost more to get done coz of the extra work needed. i know someone with a blue printed engine and he pulls 110 on freeway with 31 tyres with a trailer and can still accelerate. its really good and cost an extra $200-500 from what ive heard and is worth the extra money.

so choice is 2k+ for a old engine with 1 new head, or for $200 more an engine that will last another 15 years and be stong. there is nothing stupid about what i said.

at least someone reading this thread now will know there are better options for 2k.

what does the price go up for the 'fully' recoed (lol) engine if the one you already have in there is unusable and cant be rebuilt? you are going to have to pay for a decent engine to be rebuilt then pay the reco cost plus the parts and labour arent you just like mtb4x4mad did

2 g's for a reco'd 1.6 is about right.

joeblow wrote:2 g's for a reco'd 1.6 is about right.

I'll 2nd that $2k is about right

ive know suzimad and he has no ego of any kind whatsoever, but one thing about him is he definatly knows what he is talking about. there is a difference between ego and KNOWING what u are talking about.


CAN I SUGGEST A MOD CLEAN UP ALL OF THE CR#P POST ON THIS THREAD, AS ITS GETTING NO-WHERE.

Ruffy wrote: Fully reconditioned would mean that it has had ever facet of the engine taken back to it OE spec or better.

i thought that was blue printing

Define better?

Ruffy wrote: If an engine is actually "Fully Reco" then you can't sell an off the shelf reco engine for that money and stay in business.

Gem engines did it for years.." the sausage factory" they would bore everything out Max tolerance and sell it as a fully reco and they were pretty cheep

Ruffy wrote: Reco engines vary from re-ring to completely re-built, so before we try and compare apples with apples we need to check the type of apples.
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I've never heard a re'ring called a reco

and I prefer Tennessee Orchard apples..

Im not going to say where i work , Gumtree knows , as would quite a lot of other people on this forum. im sure some of you genius's will figure it out if you wanted to.

The fact of the matter is this . I come to this site to offer a bit of advice here and there , I , like the rest of you are an enthusiast , I own 4 suzuki's , one of them being a suzuki sierra in the build.

Im not here to push our parts or sell our services , i have never joined internet forums to do such , i am here , like the rest of you to enjoy the knowledge and generally the comradeship , if thats the correct term , of the suzuki 4x4 community.

Im not here to argue with anybody or try and make trouble , so im going to leave it at that for this thread.

Have a nice day
Dave

Ruffy do you even have a sierra? or owned one? Or even a vit?

Keep it clean and on topic, or this thread gets a severe chop. Posting up prices for work carried out and clarifying what work has been done is fine, but if you want to act like kids about it the thread goes.

Layto....

lay80n wrote:Keep it clean and on topic, or this thread gets a severe chop. Posting up prices for work carried out and clarifying what work has been done is fine, but if you want to act like kids about it the thread goes.

Layto....

Getting out the eraser ... back soon.

If your post was modded and you feel agrieved by it .. I did it.

No more insults or pencil measureing pls or it gets locked and stays that way

most places will charge 600-800 depending on the condition of the head.

Where i worked we would send the head to a specialist and just get them to crack check and surfaced. If it needed extras like valves or seats etc they would let us know and adjust the price accordingly.

If the head is stuffed beyond repair or over 400odd to repair (if it needs it) get another 2nd hand one crack tested and re-surfaced. (the wreckers should exchange it if the 2nd one is warped or cracked etc.

It shouldnt cost you over $1000 with a buggered head is you do it this way.