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Hey fellas, i been checkin out lifted and undersprung 60's lately and they have close to the same setup, yet all seem to flex better than mine!!

I know that the best way to do it is SOA and flat springs so im not after that speech, id like to stay sprung under for this trucks life.

As it is now as soon as i go down a ledge/step and one wheel drops lower than say 2ft it feels like its about to roll

Im thinking of trying the superior droppers, who thinks this will help the situation? If not, what will?
I even rolled it on its side the other day cutting a hoop, its upsetting!!

longer springs, but less of them in the pack?

No experience with the drop shackles myself but I fail to see how they would work well, and if you do a search I think you'll find the general gist is they aren't that crash hot.

A mate of mine in Sydney had a cool set up on the back of his 75, think its called buggy leaf? Can't think of how to explain it but it was basically a spring pack cut in half and added between the normal spring pack and the shackle, and there was a pin in there that you undid for offroad and the whole thing would drop down.

Proly a much larger scale drop shackle come to think of it.

Oh yep ive seen that setup but i dont like the idea of it on something i drive everyday, unless it is done properly by someone with experience in it i suppose.
So longer springs then ay, what springs would you recommend?
Im handy with a welder and love modifying stuff so yeh id do all the work myself

Longer springs, longer shackles to suit and maybe mounts moved to give the best shackle angler for up and down travel. A good start is 2'' front shackles and 75 series front leaves in the front of the 60.

i had the same trouble with my last 60. It had 2 inch springs (king springs) and it had no travel at all. The front shackle angle was straight up and down. I removed a couple leaves and it softened up heaps and gave it more travel.
Ive seen drop shackles in action and from what ive seen and been told by blokes with them, they are good on the ramp. They look good when they drop in a hole but they dont do anything as they only drop from the weight if your wheel.
Hey wozza you havnt got any lifted springs laying around have ya. I just bought myself another 60 stocker. Got a 3 inch body lift from my old one but thats it.

brendan rooke wrote: Hey wozza you havnt got any lifted springs laying around have ya. I just bought myself another 60 stocker. Got a 3 inch body lift from my old one but thats it.

Mate i got some springs here that look as if they were 2" wen they were new but they hav sagged a bit, but would definately giv ya atleast an inch more lift.
Yeh i think the drop shackles would help with my spring angles too, im floggin out bushes left right and centre!!

I will look into some 75 springs and do a reversal while im there, im gonna lose lift but yeh gaining flex will be tops

Rubber bushes with greasable shackles work better than nolathane or neoprene bushes.
They are to hard, i was flogging out nolathane every few months, so went back to rubber and sold it with the same bushes.

Saggy springs are ok as im doing a spring over on this one. How much$$$
The new truck looks good mate.
Ill give you ten points for the time it took.
I was only talkin to ya a few weeks back about a cab i had.

brendan rooke wrote:Rubber bushes with greasable shackles work better than nolathane or neoprene bushes.
I was only talkin to ya a few weeks back about a cab i had.

Thats right i dont stuff around! Rolled the bastrd already tho

Yeh im running rubber bushes up top now, with greasable shackles i went half half to see what would last.
So far the rubber is lookin better so im sticking to it.

Well the springs are here in Scone which is 2hrs from newy and 2.5 hrs from syd, i will look after ya with price but if your too far away ya'd hav to ask yourself if the juice is worth the squeeze.....
Get bak to me if ya keen.
You can see the pics of the springs sitting if ya check out the new buildup, if there is steel rims on, thats the old springs.

Fair dinkum, i went through scone about 2 weeks ago going to sydney.
Next trip down ill contact you and see if you still have them.

My new truck will only be a slow buildup.
I dont get much time these days.

Im slowely collecting stuff and when ive got everything i need ill get into it.

This thread just died as did my cruiser, write off, game over.

bad luck mate - looked like a beast of a thing

write off? WTF??

hey mate get supeior drop shackels, i got some and they are the best $600 i have ever spent on the car, made an unbelivable amount of difference, just make sure you spring pack is not to heavy cause i put mine on the rear and they didn work at all, i put them on the front and they fully open

hulsty wrote: 75 series front leaves in the front of the 60.

dont put 75 series springs in they are wider than 60 springs and dont flex as good

60_series_united wrote:hey mate get supeior drop shackels, i got some and they are the best $600 i have ever spent on the car, made an unbelivable amount of difference, just make sure you spring pack is not to heavy cause i put mine on the rear and they didn work at all, i put them on the front and they fully open

That looks shi7hot mate.

Have u been on a run with them yet.

60_series_united wrote:

hulsty wrote: 75 series front leaves in the front of the 60.

dont put 75 series springs in they are wider than 60 springs and dont flex as good

what are you talking about "wider" ? they are longer, have more camber and combined with a 2'' shackle will give more flex due to the extra length with the right spring rate. Will slightly impact approach angle but this is easily fixed with moving the diff forward.

brendan rooke wrote:

60_series_united wrote:hey mate get supeior drop shackels, i got some and they are the best $600 i have ever spent on the car, made an unbelivable amount of difference, just make sure you spring pack is not to heavy cause i put mine on the rear and they didn work at all, i put them on the front and they fully open

That looks shi7hot mate.

Have u been on a run with them yet.

thanks mate, nah i had them on the rear when i last went for a wheel and cause my rear packs a too heavy they didnt open at all so i put them on the front, cant wait to try em out tho

what are you talking about "wider" ? they are longer, have more camber and combined with a 2'' shackle will give more flex due to the extra length with the right spring rate. Will slightly impact approach angle but this is easily fixed with moving the diff forward.

yes i know they are longer but they are also wider thus making it harder to twist the spring when flexing, when a was down at superior engineering last i asked them if i could put them in cause i knew they where longer but they said to keep the 60 springs they will flex better, if you want longer springs get some custom made superior make 10" longer springs i think they are about $700 but for the rear only or just go with 40mm longer old man emu they work very well my mate has them on his 60

how much longer are 75 series front springs compard to 60 springs?

60_series_united wrote:

what are you talking about "wider" ? they are longer, have more camber and combined with a 2'' shackle will give more flex due to the extra length with the right spring rate. Will slightly impact approach angle but this is easily fixed with moving the diff forward.

yes i know they are longer but they are also wider thus making it harder to twist the spring when flexing, when a was down at superior engineering last i asked them if i could put them in cause i knew they where longer but they said to keep the 60 springs they will flex better, if you want longer springs get some custom made superior make 10" longer springs i think they are about $700 but for the rear only or just go with 40mm longer old man emu they work very well my mate has them on his 60

how much longer are 75 series front springs compard to 60 springs?

No they arent, 40, 60 and 70 use the same spring widths ~70mm, hilux use thinner width springs, ~60mm.

Front 75 series springs are ~40mm longer than equivalent 60 springs. Making them easier to twist due to the length increase. The ones your mate has are probably 75 series springs, 75 springs also have more camber than a 60 too. Combined with a 2'' shackle gives a good shackle angle and good uptravel/droop for minimal $$$.

I use 60 series rear springs front and rear of my middy which gives excellent travel, mostly due to having the right shackle angle.

This is the shackle angle of a 60 wit 2'' over standard shackles and 75 series fronts.



This is mine with 60 series rear springs front and rear in my middy. Rear doesnt flex that great due to tyre clearance, front is limited by shocks that are about 2-3'' to short, so more droop available. Very good uptravel too.

nice picture hulsty looks familiar .

this is tha rear shackle angle with 75'ssprings in a 60


the front hanger needs to be moved forwards 2" to keep the diff in the same spot, ive got measurements somwhere but cant find them atm im pretty sure the rears are 8" or so longer, 2"in the front half and about 6"in the rear half.

hulsty wrote:No they arent, 40, 60 and 70 use the same spring widths ~70mm,

2nd that Hulsty.

You can add the FJ55 to that list of 70mm springs too.

My FJ55 has a mix of original front 55 leaves and 60 front leaves. The rear is a combination of 55 rears and 60 fronts.

My Jayco camper has a mix of 60 rears and 70 series fronts.

Also front OME light 75 springs (CS006F) have the same spring rate as front OME HD springs (CS005F).