Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hey lads,
just wondering if a warn M8000 is to small for a gu wagon!
can buy it off a mate dirt cheap with everything included!(does need new solinoids though)
it came off a gq shorty so there's a fair bit of weight difference!
it worked unreal in the shorty!
bare in mind im not doing comps or EXTREME truck wrecking stuff, just the usual day out with the boys!
cheers

simcoe wrote:Hey lads,
just wondering if a warn M8000 is to small for a gu wagon!
can buy it off a mate dirt cheap with everything included!(does need new solinoids though)
it came off a gq shorty so there's a fair bit of weight difference!
it worked unreal in the shorty!
bare in mind im not doing comps or EXTREME truck wrecking stuff, just the usual day out with the boys!
cheers

Its probably a tad on the small side, a 9,k lb would be perfect but as you said above. your not going to comp the vehicle so it will probably be just fine, just let i cool in between winching bursts.

it'd wanna be cheap..

are these the ones that can be adapted to fit a 6Hp motor??

if so then that would be a good idea.

if not then just carry a snatch block and halve the load on the winch.

how much is dirt cheap? What motor is on it?

bogged wrote:how much is dirt cheap? What motor is on it?

dirt cheap= $200, and it comes with everything!cable, controller etc
but the solidoids are gone..iv been pointed in the right direction from "teamrpm" to get the new solinoid free box/controller set up which sounds like the shiz!
and was also recomended to get the snatch block doovylacker!
anyone know how much a snatch block cost?

at the moment for winch and new control box total would come to $350
so just ad the cost of the snatch block and iv got a winch that will see me out of any danger

simcoe wrote:and was also recomended to get the snatch block doovylacker!

anyone know how much a snatch block cost?

at the moment for winch and new control box total would come to $350
so just ad the cost of the snatch block and iv got a winch that will see me out of any danger

Along with the snatch block, you will also need a few rated bow shackles, tree trunk protector, cable dampner, winch extension strap, drag chains and leather gloves. You should be able to pick up a good quality recovery kit with all this in it for about $300.

simcoe wrote:anyone know how much a snatch block cost?

with the 8000, I'd get 2 snatch blocks. makes it slower, but less pain if you are really stuck.

T_Diesel wrote:

simcoe wrote:and was also recomended to get the snatch block doovylacker!

anyone know how much a snatch block cost?

at the moment for winch and new control box total would come to $350
so just ad the cost of the snatch block and iv got a winch that will see me out of any danger

Along with the snatch block, you will also need a few rated bow shackles, tree trunk protector, cable dampner, winch extension strap, drag chains and leather gloves. You should be able to pick up a good quality recovery kit with all this in it for about $300.

got the 'D' shackles and gloves covered! oldman does power station stints and just happens to find all sorts of random stuff in his tool bag once he gets home

thick conveyer belt rubber should do for the truck protector, so thats covered.

silly questions but what are the drag chains for(assume the'v got something to to with dragging )

cable dampner is incase the cable snaps isnt it?
and winch extension strap is that a neccesity?, not quite sure how long the cable is on the winch..


cheers for the advise guys

simcoe wrote: got the 'D' shackles and gloves covered! oldman does power station stints and just happens to find all sorts of random stuff in his tool bag once he gets home

thick conveyer belt rubber should do for the truck protector, so thats covered.

The idea of a tree trunk protector is to protect the tree and to provide an anchor point on a tree or other anchor point hence you would want something that is load rated. Never wrap your winch cable around a tree as it farks the tree and your cable.

simcoe wrote: silly questions but what are the drag chains for(assume the'v got something to to with dragging )

Drag chains have many uses, they can be used to anchor a vehicle being used as an anchor point for a winching operation or used to drag trees, logs to clear a track.

simcoe wrote: cable dampner is incase the cable snaps isnt it?

Cable dampers reduce recoil effect if something breaks.

simcoe wrote: and winch extension strap is that a neccesity?, not quite sure how long the cable is on the winch..

Is a winch a neccesity? What's the point in having a winch if your winch cable is a metre short of your nearest anchor point?

Winches are dangerous if not used correctly. I would strongly suggest you learn how to use your winch and related equipment properly before having to use it. Take a read of the following link for some guidance.

http://www.warn.com/corporate/images/90 ... 885-A2.pdf

T_Diesel wrote:
Winches are dangerous if not used correctly. I would strongly suggest you learn how to use your winch and related equipment properly before having to use it. Take a read of the following link for some guidance.

http://www.warn.com/corporate/images/90 ... 885-A2.pdf

Xboggettybillionandone

I was going to suggest the same after reading this

simcoe wrote:and was also recomended to get the snatch block doovylacker!

And it just got worse from there.

simcoe wrote:thick conveyer belt rubber should do for the truck protector, so thats covered.

Dude, i don't mean to be rude but you've seriously got no place using a winch at this point in time. Get the winch if it's cheap, with a 4t line pull it should do the job. Then you'll need to double the line pull when seriously stuck in order to avoid cooking your winch. Never skimp on SWL/WLL rated shackles and chains, and breaking strength tagged straps.

But first, learn what i'm talking about in above paragraph before you kill yourself or someone else. Winching and snatching vehicles can be extremely dangerous. Learn what you're doing. Do a 4wd driver training course, or even do a dogging course at TAFE (may even get you a job )

Bear

GQ Bear wrote:

T_Diesel wrote:
Winches are dangerous if not used correctly. I would strongly suggest you learn how to use your winch and related equipment properly before having to use it. Take a read of the following link for some guidance.

http://www.warn.com/corporate/images/90 ... 885-A2.pdf

Xboggettybillionandone

I was going to suggest the same after reading this

simcoe wrote:and was also recomended to get the snatch block doovylacker!

And it just got worse from there.

simcoe wrote:thick conveyer belt rubber should do for the truck protector, so thats covered.

Dude, i don't mean to be rude but you've seriously got no place using a winch at this point in time. Get the winch if it's cheap, with a 4t line pull it should do the job. Then you'll need to double the line pull when seriously stuck in order to avoid cooking your winch. Never skimp on SWL/WLL rated shackles and chains, and breaking strength tagged straps.

But first, learn what i'm talking about in above paragraph before you kill yourself or someone else. Winching and snatching vehicles can be extremely dangerous. Learn what you're doing. Do a 4wd driver training course, or even do a dogging course at TAFE (may even get you a job )

Bear

righto righto..i know winches are dangerous! im not a complete knob
i dont plan to drive my car of a cliff, jump out, pull the cable out and try to lassoo it round a tree or rock then winch myself to safety
obviously iv never seen it done right and therefore dont know the correct way to do certain things!
thats what learning is for, show me something once or twice and im all over it

as for 4wd training, my truck has been in 4wd more than once...and i even know how to let the tyres down
i just havnt been out playing with a winch being attached to my rig and having to use one!
me and the boys normally snatch each other out of bogs etc
no need for a tafe coarse, my roof plumbing trade had all that in it

so yeah, i will go ahead and buy the "equipment/safety pack" so i dont kill my self

peace out

simcoe wrote: i just havnt been out playing with a winch being attached to my rig and having to use one!
me and the boys normally snatch each other out of bogs etc
no need for a tafe coarse, my roof plumbing trade had all that in it

Mate, no offence but if you don't even know what a tree trunk protector is, how it is used and what it is used for you probably have no need for a winch.

Just because you know how to let your tyres down, lock your hubs and engage 4wd doesn't mean you know how to 4wd. Everyone gets something out of a training course, no matter how much you know in a subject.

Vehicle recovery can be dangerous, hence it is important to know how to use all of your equipment properly and have an understanding of the basic physics behind it all.

T_Diesel wrote:

simcoe wrote: i just havnt been out playing with a winch being attached to my rig and having to use one!
me and the boys normally snatch each other out of bogs etc
no need for a tafe coarse, my roof plumbing trade had all that in it

Mate, no offence but if you don't even know what a tree trunk protector is, how it is used and what it is used for you probably have no need for a winch.

Just because you know how to let your tyres down, lock your hubs and engage 4wd doesn't mean you know how to 4wd. Everyone gets something out of a training course, no matter how much you know in a subject.

Vehicle recovery can be dangerous, hence it is important to know how to use all of your equipment properly and have an understanding of the basic physics behind it all.

Yeah, probably one those roofers who think they can dog a crane and land their own sheets untill the day they get knocked off a roof

Seriously though mate. Nobody's calling you a knob, but from the sheer fact that you'd even contemplate using a conveyor strap (or anything else not tested for it's tensile breaking point for that matter) is quite alarming. Winching a vehicle involves some extreme forces and a bit of safety awareness and knowledge of the physics involved goes a long way towards a happy 4wding trip.

What state are you in? I'd be happy to have you along next time i go wheeling .

GQ Bear wrote:Winching a vehicle involves some extreme forces and a bit of safety awareness and knowledge of the physics involved goes a long way towards a happy 4wding trip..

GQ Bear wrote:

T_Diesel wrote:

simcoe wrote: i just havnt been out playing with a winch being attached to my rig and having to use one!
me and the boys normally snatch each other out of bogs etc
no need for a tafe coarse, my roof plumbing trade had all that in it

Mate, no offence but if you don't even know what a tree trunk protector is, how it is used and what it is used for you probably have no need for a winch.

Just because you know how to let your tyres down, lock your hubs and engage 4wd doesn't mean you know how to 4wd. Everyone gets something out of a training course, no matter how much you know in a subject.

Vehicle recovery can be dangerous, hence it is important to know how to use all of your equipment properly and have an understanding of the basic physics behind it all.

Yeah, probably one those roofers who think they can dog a crane and land their own sheets untill the day they get knocked off a roof

Seriously though mate. Nobody's calling you a knob, but from the sheer fact that you'd even contemplate using a conveyor strap (or anything else not tested for it's tensile breaking point for that matter) is quite alarming. Winching a vehicle involves some extreme forces and a bit of safety awareness and knowledge of the physics involved goes a long way towards a happy 4wding trip.

What state are you in? I'd be happy to have you along next time i go wheeling .

hey now, im the only bloke on site that when we get a crane is aloud to direct it

and with the trunk protector i implied rolling the belt around the tree and hook the hook back on itself if ya follow.. i havnt done that before but iv seen blokes(not mates) use that and even carpet out of there cars to wrap around the tree to stop it cutting in!
hence why i was quick to jump the gun and say something stupid!

now that my memory is refreshed from all the "you idiot" comments
i remember and are aware of a "proper" trunk protector!

im in newcastle by the way and all my wheeling is done at sugy,wattigans, local quaries and the odd stocko beach play!
havnt done much this year been playing "mod my car" for far to long..

cheers

Hey Simcoe,

Just go out with a bunch of mates who have used a winch before its not that hard.....

I wouldn't get worried by your typical outerlimits comments,

Things to take note:
1. Winch is looked after seeing that its rebuilt should be good, might add put a 6hp for a bit more grunt.
2. Carry, tree trunk protector, winch extension for when u can find a hand tree, gloves for wire and something to dampen it.
3. when winching the idea is to match wheel speed with the winch so in ur case just idle as the winch is going as u got the power to spin the wheels.
4. when winching at night, turn off high beams or any thing power hungry i.e. stereo with amps.
5. enjoy yourself dont panic, its not that hard, if your pulling on the wrong along reassess what your doing and start again...

I winch for the first time the other night and its a piece of piss....

weeman wrote:Hey Simcoe,

Just go out with a bunch of mates who have used a winch before its not that hard.....

I wouldn't get worried by your typical outerlimits comments,

Things to take note:
1. Winch is looked after seeing that its rebuilt should be good, might add put a 6hp for a bit more grunt.
2. Carry, tree trunk protector, winch extension for when u can find a hand tree, gloves for wire and something to dampen it.
3. when winching the idea is to match wheel speed with the winch so in ur case just idle as the winch is going as u got the power to spin the wheels.
4. when winching at night, turn off high beams or any thing power hungry i.e. stereo with amps.
5. enjoy yourself dont panic, its not that hard, if your pulling on the wrong along reassess what your doing and start again...

I winch for the first time the other night and its a piece of piss....

cheers for the nice, usefull comments weeman
i now know what i need and hopefully can have some fun getting stuck and getting my self out the safe way of coarse
my flame suit is always on so as not to get burnt


thanks all!