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My Brother Needs Help And Wants Me To Run A Poll For Him Because He's A Lazy Sh!t And Wont Do It Himself...

He's A Bit Sick Of The 2.8D In His Hilux Because Its Extremely Sluggish

He Wants A Hilux Petrol 2.7l Due To The Simpleness Of Fitting And The Torque (i know for a fact they go alright and rip a mean patch because we have one)

However I'm Pushing The Commodore VS/VN 3.8 V6. I Reckon They Have A Little Bit More Punch, Also I Like Like Coil Packs Rather Than The Dizzy.

From What Ive Seen The V6's Arnt As Reliable At The 2.7's Due To Overheating And Such. But Im Not Going To Jump To Conclusions


Who Has Done This???

Please Leave Your Thoughts And Ideas

had a lux with vn motor and would have another.
4 core the diesel rad
engine driven fan
go the vs-vt motor though much nicer
vn motors are just too old now
go manual if you do it its much more fun but the g52s will only put up with so much

3rz sounds better on the limiter, a 3.8 just sounds bogan.

hiluxmad wrote:had a lux with vn motor and would have another.
4 core the diesel rad
engine driven fan
go the vs-vt motor though much nicer
vn motors are just too old now
go manual if you do it its much more fun but the g52s will only put up with so much

What manual do you use? The G52 I have is pretty worn.

And you mean mod the diesel rad to 4 core from 3?

Im Still Sticking By The V6

i have had 4 hiluxs with v6 motors from vn to vs models 3 where auto 1 was a manual

i hated the manual loved the auto but find the vn-vp auto boxes where more responsive as they work off a kick down cable no like the vr-vs as they are electric (respond by the motor computer)

and if you are going to run a v6 use marks 4x4 adaptors

COMMODORE V6-HILUX 3 CORE RADIATOR
FAN SHROUD KIT HILUX PETROL
ENGINE FAN/HOSE KIT COMMODORE

these are a bit pricey but well worth it my uncle has been running this setup in he's hilux for 2-3 years now and never had a heating problem

if you can use the r150 box from the v6 surf or the turbo diesel bundys much stronger.
get the original diesel rad 4cored and use the marks engine driven fan kit works a treat.
i also had a 14" thermo on front as back up in traffic or on low spped work in the bush

lexus v8 is very simple. otherwise i'd stick with the 3rz.

Dyls GQ wrote:My Brother Needs Help And Wants Me To Run A Poll For Him Because He's A Lazy Sh!t And Wont Do It Himself...

He's A Bit Sick Of The 2.8D In His Hilux Because Its Extremely Sluggish

He Wants A Hilux Petrol 2.7l Due To The Simpleness Of Fitting And The Torque (i know for a fact they go alright and rip a mean patch because we have one)

However I'm Pushing The Commodore VS/VN 3.8 V6. I Reckon They Have A Little Bit More Punch, Also I Like Like Coil Packs Rather Than The Dizzy.

From What Ive Seen The V6's Arnt As Reliable At The 2.7's Due To Overheating And Such. But Im Not Going To Jump To Conclusions


Who Has Done This???

Please Leave Your Thoughts And Ideas

The 3RZ runs coils as well. No dizzy unless your going to use an early Prado motor. It also bolts in with no expensive adapters.

The 3RZ I have is out of a 05 Hilux(last of the gen 5s), it has a twin coil pack setup no dizzy. I haven't fitted it yet so I can't tell you how it goes driving.

I choose the 3RZ as it is a simple install, with no need for adapter bell housings. This making the conversion cheaper. Its only a four cylinder, leaving more room in the engine bay.

It also has a simple wiring loom to wire up as the motor feeds direct to the ECU and no other inputs like on the commodore for body control module. Also the 3RZ was made with 4WDing in mind.

Not saying it can't be fixed but the V6 hilux/4runners I have been out have had overheating issues as soon as you bounce the V6 through the rev ranges.

The power stats are
3RZ 110Kw
VN V6 127Kw
VS ECOTEC V6 147Kw, but harder to wire in.

Struddy

Good thing about the commodore motor is that you can't walk 5 steps without falling over performance goodies for it.

The 3RZ looks to be a good motor, but I rekon a 3.8ltr V6 with the right cam/chip/exhaust set up will be heaps better.

Thats What I Told Hime....Will never be Short Of Cheap And Easy To Get parts...

Though im Sure The 3RZ Parts Are Easy To Get A Hold Of To

go the 3.8
with a stroker kit to 4.2.

will go like the proverbial bat outta hell in a hilux.

or 1uz..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 1uz.... NICE !

Dyls GQ wrote:Thats What I Told Hime....Will never be Short Of Cheap And Easy To Get parts...

Though im Sure The 3RZ Parts Are Easy To Get A Hold Of To

Yota motor, who cares if parts are easy or hard to get, the buggers run forever even when trashed, all you need for them are your basic service parts.

The bommadore motor when pushed... Its a good thing the parts are easy to get as you will be liley to need the spares. IE oill pumps, lifters etc

Dyls GQ wrote:From What Ive Seen The V6's Arnt As Reliable At The 2.7's Due To Overheating And Such. But Im Not Going To Jump To Conclusions

bingo!
3rz's are 4wd motors, they have plugs/caps and rubber boots for 4wding, they have proper oil pickups for offcamber, the injection setup is for low torque - ideal for wheeling, and never have heating issues.

3RZs can be had for as little as $1000 for a complete conversion(There is currently one on Ebay for $800 complete conversion) You wont buy the parts you will need to fit the V6 for $1000. Then there is the motor and all the modifications that go with fitting the engine correctly. Including chassie mods, sump mods, powersteering line mods and suspension mods(the V6 is heavier than the deisel) just for a start.

The 3RZ bolts in with only Exhast, a quick wiring job, modify the 3RZ radiator mounts and sorting the fuel system out which you can use the 3RZ tank with some mods.

It lugs well it revs well it is also lighter than the V6 and the deisel. And if your rego is calculated on the amount of Cyl its not going to cost you any more to register or insure.

RUFF wrote:3RZs can be had for as little as $1000 for a complete conversion(There is currently one on Ebay for $800 complete conversion) You wont buy the parts you will need to fit the V6 for $1000. Then there is the motor and all the modifications that go with fitting the engine correctly. Including chassie mods, sump mods, powersteering line mods and suspension mods(the V6 is heavier than the deisel) just for a start.

The 3RZ bolts in with only Exhast, a quick wiring job, modify the 3RZ radiator mounts and sorting the fuel system out which you can use the 3RZ tank with some mods.

It lugs well it revs well it is also lighter than the V6 and the deisel. And if your rego is calculated on the amount of Cyl its not going to cost you any more to register or insure.

Having said all this (all excellent points), they changed the diesel gearbox in 96/97 (I know of sure that the earlier transfer case wont fit the later box) will the 3RZ fit the earlier box/clutch setup?

mkpatrol wrote:

RUFF wrote:3RZs can be had for as little as $1000 for a complete conversion(There is currently one on Ebay for $800 complete conversion) You wont buy the parts you will need to fit the V6 for $1000. Then there is the motor and all the modifications that go with fitting the engine correctly. Including chassie mods, sump mods, powersteering line mods and suspension mods(the V6 is heavier than the deisel) just for a start.

The 3RZ bolts in with only Exhast, a quick wiring job, modify the 3RZ radiator mounts and sorting the fuel system out which you can use the 3RZ tank with some mods.

It lugs well it revs well it is also lighter than the V6 and the deisel. And if your rego is calculated on the amount of Cyl its not going to cost you any more to register or insure.

Having said all this (all excellent points), they changed the diesel gearbox in 96/97 (I know of sure that the earlier transfer case wont fit the later box) will the 3RZ fit the earlier box/clutch setup?

You can get a bellhousing to fit either the G series or R series. Its only the TD and the V6 that had an R series gearbox. The rest still ran a G52 but with a different extension housing to suit the Chaindrive Transfer.

OK, thats where I cam un-stuck, I had the later gearbx but the arlier transfer. Trying to fix the old 5th gear layshaft issue. I couldnt get a trasfer at a decent price so ended up rebuilding.

Out of the choices given go the 3rz as Ruff has said its cheaper and imo a heaps better engine.

If you want to go to expense and hassle then skip the pos commo motor and go straight to a 1uz. I have had a few commos for work and the engines suck in them stuff having one in a 4wd.

RUFF wrote:3RZs can be had for as little as $1000 for a complete conversion(There is currently one on Ebay for $800 complete conversion) You wont buy the parts you will need to fit the V6 for $1000. Then there is the motor and all the modifications that go with fitting the engine correctly. Including chassie mods, sump mods, powersteering line mods and suspension mods(the V6 is heavier than the deisel) just for a start.

The 3RZ bolts in with only Exhast, a quick wiring job, modify the 3RZ radiator mounts and sorting the fuel system out which you can use the 3RZ tank with some mods.

It lugs well it revs well it is also lighter than the V6 and the deisel. And if your rego is calculated on the amount of Cyl its not going to cost you any more to register or insure.

I did see the one on ebay but its in Brissy.

Cheers for the advice guys, I will talk to the brother and see what he reckons now...

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