Outer Limits 4x4 Board

http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic878.html?highlight=oil

Intresting read. sounds the goods, abit like the theory of using ATF.

200:1 looks like the GO.

sounds interesting, i'd wanna know a bit more on the longevity side of things personally though, not so much mileage but LONG term use over a span of time rather than distance.

Would be interesting and should work in theory.

They do the same thing with Rotary engines, adding 200ml at a time into the fuel when filling up with petrol to help keep the inside lubricated.

Might offer my truck as a test mule and see how it goes, it has no sensors per say to screw up, is a 2H Turbo so any power increase will be noticeable, and certainly isn't the most quiet engine out there. Once I drain the current tank of fuel, will give it a shot and see how it goes, if it works will do the same with the 2LTE Jap import we have and see how it goes with sensors etc.

I might give it a go too...

GQuick wrote:sounds interesting, i'd wanna know a bit more on the longevity side of things personally though, not so much mileage but LONG term use over a span of time rather than distance.

in theory it could work, and 1:200 wont change viscosity which is the only issue i could think of and even then diesel changes with temp anyway so they should handle that fine.

that thread started 2 years ago, i read the first few pages and last few and it was mentioned that not a simgle person had come on and said i tried it and it went bad.

thats pretty good indication of long term use. IMO.

I might give it a go, i think i have about 4L of 2 banger oil lying around somewhere from the old days of carefree noisy fun.

fair point. wonder how the old TD42 would like some of the good oil

Drift Technician wrote:They do the same thing with Rotary engines, adding 200ml at a time into the fuel when filling up with petrol to help keep the inside lubricated.

They do?? I've had a long history with the older Rotary's (RX4s etc) and am no way up to date with he latest stuff but I've never heard of that. From the factory they run an oil injection system whereby it basically squirts sump oil into the motor through the carby .. similar to motorcycle 2 stroke injection systems.

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Simo63 wrote:

Drift Technician wrote:They do the same thing with Rotary engines, adding 200ml at a time into the fuel when filling up with petrol to help keep the inside lubricated.

They do?? I've had a long history with the older Rotary's (RX4s etc) and am no way up to date with he latest stuff but I've never heard of that. From the factory they run an oil injection system whereby it basically squirts sump oil into the motor through the carby .. similar to motorcycle 2 stroke injection systems.

Certainly do, go to this link and type in premix, been doing it for years:

http://ausrotary.com/search.php

bogged wrote:
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Geezuz Bruce, the last time I purchased a bottle of A747 (around the early 90's!!!) it was $28 a litre bottle .. . Not sure what it's worth now but it surely hasn't come down in price .... I think it would be better to let the pump wear out and rebuild it.


Although it would smell good with the oil in it

Drift Technician wrote:

Simo63 wrote:

Drift Technician wrote:They do the same thing with Rotary engines, adding 200ml at a time into the fuel when filling up with petrol to help keep the inside lubricated.

They do?? I've had a long history with the older Rotary's (RX4s etc) and am no way up to date with he latest stuff but I've never heard of that. From the factory they run an oil injection system whereby it basically squirts sump oil into the motor through the carby .. similar to motorcycle 2 stroke injection systems.

Certainly do, go to this link and type in premix, been doing it for years:

http://ausrotary.com/search.php

I'm obviously older than I think .... ahh the benefits of dementia

Bu thanks Drift Tech ... I can go home now .. I've learnt my lesson for the day

Simo63 wrote:Geezuz Bruce, the last time I purchased a bottle of A747 (around the early 90's!!!) it was $28 a litre bottle .. . Not sure what it's worth now but it surely hasn't come down in price .... I think it would be better to let the pump wear out and rebuild it.

its hard to find now at dealers.. I used to go 1/2s wth mate in 5ltr of it
used to run it in the TZ... then went to R30/R40 in the TZ350

bogged wrote:

Simo63 wrote:Geezuz Bruce, the last time I purchased a bottle of A747 (around the early 90's!!!) it was $28 a litre bottle .. . Not sure what it's worth now but it surely hasn't come down in price .... I think it would be better to let the pump wear out and rebuild it.

its hard to find now at dealers.. I used to go 1/2s wth mate in 5ltr of it
used to run it in the TZ... then went to R30/R40 in the TZ350

wen i had my go kart i use to run that A747, lucky enough i got 2L off the bloke who sold me the kart and never had to buy any... i do no at the time (about 12months ago) it was mroe expensive than Motul 800 which i run in my bike...... recent price of Motul is $37 bux.... id assume A747 is about 40!!

I use two stroke in my 80 mostly to control what I believe to be timing related smoke.

it does have the side benefits of a measurable increase in economy (probably also timing related) and smoother, quieter operation.

about 500ml when filling both tanks so a bit under 1:200.

I threw some in the Terrano II yesterday on a fill up. At the moment it is all good. Probably my mind playing tricks on me so far, but it does seem to rev nicer, quieter. But i'll reserve my comments as its to early to say and may just be another 'snake oil', but i'll keep a check on economy.

dumbdunce wrote:I use two stroke in my 80 mostly to control what I believe to be timing related smoke.

it does have the side benefits of a measurable increase in economy (probably also timing related) and smoother, quieter operation.

about 500ml when filling both tanks so a bit under 1:200.

Hey DD

What kind of 2T oil do you run?

rotaries oh i miss mine. good old premix u only did that if u had u omp disconneted or running in a new motor

bogged wrote:

Simo63 wrote:Geezuz Bruce, the last time I purchased a bottle of A747 (around the early 90's!!!) it was $28 a litre bottle .. . Not sure what it's worth now but it surely hasn't come down in price .... I think it would be better to let the pump wear out and rebuild it.

its hard to find now at dealers.. I used to go 1/2s wth mate in 5ltr of it
used to run it in the TZ... then went to R30/R40 in the TZ350

When I was racing the RS125 I had a sweet deal going with the Castrol rep that supplied Castrol oils for Toyota Factory in Port Melbourne (now Altona) as I worked there. He used to sell it to me cheap (forget how much but around $12 a bottle rings a bell) by the box full and would always throw in another box or so for free. I also used to get other oils (eg super TT in 4 litre bottles) and still have some in the shed to this day

Put 400ml of Valvoline 2stroke ($6/1L) in my GQ TD42 today when I filled up.
I've only driven 40K's so far.

Simo63 wrote:

bogged wrote:

Simo63 wrote:Geezuz Bruce, the last time I purchased a bottle of A747 (around the early 90's!!!) it was $28 a litre bottle .. . Not sure what it's worth now but it surely hasn't come down in price .... I think it would be better to let the pump wear out and rebuild it.

its hard to find now at dealers.. I used to go 1/2s wth mate in 5ltr of it
used to run it in the TZ... then went to R30/R40 in the TZ350

When I was racing the RS125 I had a sweet deal going with the Castrol rep that supplied Castrol oils for Toyota Factory in Port Melbourne (now Altona) as I worked there. He used to sell it to me cheap (forget how much but around $12 a bottle rings a bell) by the box full and would always throw in another box or so for free. I also used to get other oils (eg super TT in 4 litre bottles) and still have some in the shed to this day

I didnt mind payin for oil, was happy havin entry fee and tyres instead

mmm, this would screw some of the new late 2008/2009+ diesel motors

Ford power stroke and the Land cruiser 200 motor can't use diesel fuel that has sulfur in it, so adding the additives etc screws them up as well.

0ppm diesel isn't here quite yet though 1-2 years for Australia but will be interesting to see how the old diesel motors handle 0ppm diesel fuel, that's something the diesel motor experts/Gov bodies can't figure out.

A lot of people will spew seeing as the older diesel motors can't handle 0ppm sulfur diesel (it'll break them) and the new motors can't handle sulfur in old blended diesel fuel (it'll break them again) so it's bit of a no win situation for everyone.

Not all diesel has bio-diesel in it either and 5ppm(parts per million) is like 5ml per liter of diesel, it's hardly nothing.

This is all a bit like when super got taken out.

Simo63 wrote:

bogged wrote:

Simo63 wrote:Geezuz Bruce, the last time I purchased a bottle of A747 (around the early 90's!!!) it was $28 a litre bottle .. . Not sure what it's worth now but it surely hasn't come down in price .... I think it would be better to let the pump wear out and rebuild it.

its hard to find now at dealers.. I used to go 1/2s wth mate in 5ltr of it
used to run it in the TZ... then went to R30/R40 in the TZ350

When I was racing the RS125 I had a sweet deal going with the Castrol rep that supplied Castrol oils for Toyota Factory in Port Melbourne (now Altona) as I worked there. He used to sell it to me cheap (forget how much but around $12 a bottle rings a bell) by the box full and would always throw in another box or so for free. I also used to get other oils (eg super TT in 4 litre bottles) and still have some in the shed to this day

Just shows at how cheap it really is.

zagan wrote:mmm, this would screw some of the new late 2008/2009+ diesel motors

Ford power stroke and the Land cruiser 200 motor can't use diesel fuel that has sulfur in it, so adding the additives etc screws them up as well.

these engines require the use of Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel which is specified at <=15ppm sulphur. This requirement is for the emissions aftertreatment, not the engine mechanical itself. if you use fuel with higher sulphur or additives it might damage the dpf or catalytic converter but the engine will be fine.

0ppm diesel isn't here quite yet though 1-2 years for Australia but will be interesting to see how the old diesel motors handle 0ppm diesel fuel, that's something the diesel motor experts/Gov bodies can't figure out.

A lot of people will spew seeing as the older diesel motors can't handle 0ppm sulfur diesel (it'll break them) and the new motors can't handle sulfur in old blended diesel fuel (it'll break them again) so it's bit of a no win situation for everyone.

are you making this stuff up? low sulphur diesel has other lubricity enhancing additives. older diesel engines are extremely tolerant of a wide range of fuels - and adding a lubricity enhancing additive if required is hardly rocket science - just like adding a syringe of valvemaster or whatever to oldschool petrol engines that required leaded petrol.

Not all diesel has bio-diesel in it either and 5ppm(parts per million) is like 5ml per liter of diesel, it's hardly nothing.

5ppm is 5 millilitres in 1000 litres. diesel that contains biodiesel must be labeled appropriately as B10, B20 etc, the number representing the percentage of bio in the mix.

This is all a bit like when super got taken out.

yes. nobody died. everyone got over it. it wasn't a big deal.

Has anyone else given it a go??

My TD42 GQ is running just fine with 2stroke in the tank.
Can't notice any difference yet.

I filled mine up today and added 400ml of Mobil 2-stroke. Little bit less smoke under full throttle and feels a bit smoother.

Now I just want to see if it actually does anythin to fuel economy too...

heres another link. search google there's heeps.

http://www.dieselbombers.com/alternativ ... hread.html

low sulphur deisel will not effect the engine, rather you will see older deisels need new seals in fuel pumps etc as the old rubbers they used needed the lubricity of the sulphur. Having said that the level of sulphur now found in deisel sold in aus is at a point that those vehicles will have required those seals to have been replaced by now.

I have an obvious question, how the hell can a poofteenth of 2 stroke oil added to diesel that will only get injected at TDC and then burnt straight away have any effect on lubrication of the cylinders or other reciprocating parts ? Surely all it will do is add to the smoke and possibly lower the combustability of the injected diesel ? I'm no diesel mechanic but thats how i see it, some sort of drip feed system like on lpg vehicles would have a greater effect.

Loanrangie wrote:I have an obvious question, how the hell can a poofteenth of 2 stroke oil added to diesel that will only get injected at TDC and then burnt straight away have any effect on lubrication of the cylinders or other reciprocating parts ? Surely all it will do is add to the smoke and possibly lower the combustability of the injected diesel ? I'm no diesel mechanic but thats how i see it, some sort of drip feed system like on lpg vehicles would have a greater effect.

it's about lubricating the injection system, not the engine.

most quality 2 stroke oils burn with out smoke when mixed right. in this case it is mixed very lean compared to what is used in a 2 stroke engine.

brad-chevlux wrote:

Loanrangie wrote:I have an obvious question, how the hell can a poofteenth of 2 stroke oil added to diesel that will only get injected at TDC and then burnt straight away have any effect on lubrication of the cylinders or other reciprocating parts ? Surely all it will do is add to the smoke and possibly lower the combustability of the injected diesel ? I'm no diesel mechanic but thats how i see it, some sort of drip feed system like on lpg vehicles would have a greater effect.

it's about lubricating the injection system, not the engine.

most quality 2 stroke oils burn with out smoke when mixed right. in this case it is mixed very lean compared to what is used in a 2 stroke engine.

Thats the only benefit i can see and only to mechanical injection systems , seems some try to make it out to be a miracle cure or something.