Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I'm just about to buy (or make an offer on) a sad and tired '84 4 door that has the 4.4 P76 motor installed with auto - I think the ZF. Are / were these a better motor than the origional 3.5 V8?

If an OK motor any problems in buying parts, reliability etc?

All opinions welcome.

IMHO buy the rangie and piss the 4.4 off... (ask TuffRR how much trouble he has had rebuilding his 4.4...)

Parts are getting very hard to get

get and old 3.5 and stroke it

hehehe you said stroke it.........


And after you have done that tell me exactly what the costs where

Yep - thats what I have heard. Parts are hard to find.

Also I have heard the motors tend to have overheating problems which is fixed when you put range rover heads on them. There is a bit involved to swap the heads though.

I got a P76 motor in the lockless. Its got rover heads on it as well and works fine. Not as much power as an injected 3.9 though.

Sam

Get a 3.9 injected.

More common and less hassles unlike the P76 motors.

Regards,

Trav

parts for leyland motors try mini bits in officer Vic i can get a number for those interested ( not 12 months back i got new pistons and rings for a 4.4 geninue not holden ones either)

i've got a p76 in my new rangie ('78), its had a fair bit of work done to it.
But its coming out and going into my fathers 260z, i then get his old P76.
The rangie cost $1500 and he's giving me $1000 for the engine. (we bought the rangie sight unseen). It turns out that the rangie is in very very good condition (i will post pics in a new thread soon). I can't find and large amounts of rust where there should be.

Should i keep the p76 or should i look for a 3.9 EFI?
Is an EFI swap easy?

I had a p76 and looked into a rebuild. I found parts extremely hard to source and when found, they cost a mint.
The 3.9 has heaps of power and is easy to get parts for.
As for ease of electrics...............

i believe toorak tractor in breaside melbourne do great things with the 4.4.
stuff like cooling and low torque are improved
david

Might be worth a call .....
http://www.triumphroverspares.com.au/pa ... tm#engines

i got an email from them with the cost for one of them 4.8s


not cheap

i got an email from them with the cost for one of them 4.8s
not cheap

Well How much is not cheap??

Bazzle

The exact price is on my outlook express at home but its was approx $15000 for a complete engine - very similar to the one there in the yellow rover

banjodog wrote:I'm just about to buy (or make an offer on) a sad and tired '84 4 door that has the 4.4 P76 motor installed with auto - I think the ZF. Are / were these a better motor than the origional 3.5 V8?

If an OK motor any problems in buying parts, reliability etc?

All opinions welcome.

I brought a brand new 3.9 short motor for mine about 5 years ago for $3200, reco'd my 3.5 heads, had the carbies rebuilt, plonked them all together with the 3.5 timing cover and it was sweeeeeeeet.

Stuff stroking, engine conversions, rebuilds or ancient P76 motors in my book, it all bolted straight in with minimum of fuss, plenty of grunt for a midweight 4x4. Ran 34" tyres as well. Trouble was the reaR axles didn't like that combination with the Air locker thrown in

You can get a 4.3 stroker kit for $3200.

Apparently its for the 3.5 or 3.9...... and for 600 more dollar you can get a 4.8 Stroker kit
I must have deleted the email i had from Triumph thou cause i cant find it on this PC

AnthonyP wrote:You can get a 4.3 stroker kit for $3200.

Apparently its for the 3.5 or 3.9...... and for 600 more dollar you can get a 4.8 Stroker kit
I must have deleted the email i had from Triumph thou cause i cant find it on this PC

If you got the cash I suppose great, but you still need to rebuild a motor to put the stroker kit into, kiss another $2000 goodbye to break axles faster, can buy a Maxidrive instead

got maxi drive already

While strokers are good, I rather reliability and put up with a bit less power.

4.6 Blocks are better value for money these days. Yes, they are more expensive but you are getting a new bottom end into the bargain and by the time you have you old one machined, re-bored and the like you are not really saving that much (unless you can have it done on the cheap).

Just my thought on the matter.

Trav

3.5 Thick web short block ready for any stroker kit $350

Got one of those already sitting on the garage floor at home!!

Heads have only done 100-15,000 kms since they were refurbished ansd that's why it's still in my posession and not being sold off.

Trav

If anyone is interested I have a very early experimental 4.4 for sale. It has never been in a car, only used on a dyno at Repco ACL in the early 70's. It has rover heads already fitted. Under the rocker covers looks brand new..only evidence that it ever ran is a drop of clean oil the size of your thumb nail. Under the sump looks equally as new.

I had a 4.4 motor in my old 2 door. Had the liners pressed out, the block bored and new liners fitted to suite 202 second oversize Holden pistons. Made it a full 5 litres. Easily kept up with my mates lancruiser with a hot 350 Chev motor. Heaps of torque. parts are easy to come by as some Rover parts fit as well as Holden pistons, lifters etc. If you can get hold of a good 4.4 motor you wont regret the change over.

Ian

ps. never had any problems with overheating. Used the 4.4 heads.

i have and run a inject 4.4 with rover heads and disco injection on the top ... Runs sweet and has lots of balls . runs 35 pedes on road drive like a car for go atkeast

I have an injected 4.4 as well and it isn't going anywhere yet!!!

Should have it driving in the next few weeks though.

Tell me more about the Experimental 4.4

boghead wrote:Tell me more about the Experimental 4.4

I cant help there, but the heads that Phil Irving designed for Jack Brabham would be interesting (the F1 world champ motor that Brabham used was based on p76).

Bush65 wrote:

boghead wrote:Tell me more about the Experimental 4.4

I cant help there, but the heads that Phil Irving designed for Jack Brabham would be interesting (the F1 world champ motor that Brabham used was based on p76).

Be fun, not much chop offroad though.