Outer Limits 4x4 Board

as it says who has run it and wot ya think of it without spending all the $$$ on all the power steer, xover, or high steer?

i ran 35s without P/S on my 45.

just dont put ya thumbs in the middle of the steering wheel. it tends to get thrown around a bit.

as long as you got muscles youll be right.

MaccA

383FJ45 wrote:i ran 35s without P/S on my 45.

just dont put ya thumbs in the middle of the steering wheel. it tends to get thrown around a bit.

as long as you got muscles youll be right.

MaccA

thats why i have p/s with 33's

well ive got 33x12.5" and they are okay until i have to do a uturn air downed to 7psi:) but i wana go bigger 35's but dont really wana go threw all the $$$ on p/s if it can be helped. if all thast involed is muscle power to turn the rubber... wont need to go to the gym ever agian

Stock up on spinach

The problem without power steer is when you know you need to go that direction, but cannot .. it also puts alot of stress on the steering shaft and rag joint .. I had 35;s on my Zuk with no powa steer .. at times it certainly made 4x4ing "more challanging" and also less fun ..

hayden.
it sucks arse!
it's unsafe.
you'll probably break something on your truck or your arms.

if you're going to do anything more to your truck, go the whole hog! Ask for hi steer and an ifs box for your 21st!

Chris

I don't think the height of the tyre affecting steering ability as much as the width of the tyre.

i.e. My 34x9.5's are quite easy to steer in comparrisson to a 32x12.5.

It will also depend on inflation.

I agree with Love_mud about stress on components though - if you have power steering you are able to load things up a lot more and break stuff - but if you don't you powersteering - you'll know when the car is jammed up more.

greg wrote:I don't think the height of the tyre affecting steering ability as much as the width of the tyre.

i.e. My 34x9.5's are quite easy to steer in comparrisson to a 32x12.5.

It will also depend on inflation.

I agree with Love_mud about stress on components though - if you have power steering you are able to load things up a lot more and break stuff - but if you don't you powersteering - you'll know when the car is jammed up more.

I have seen serveral occosaions that you have been unable to climb onto stuff due to the inability to steer though ..

love_mud wrote:

greg wrote:I don't think the height of the tyre affecting steering ability as much as the width of the tyre.

i.e. My 34x9.5's are quite easy to steer in comparrisson to a 32x12.5.

It will also depend on inflation.

I agree with Love_mud about stress on components though - if you have power steering you are able to load things up a lot more and break stuff - but if you don't you powersteering - you'll know when the car is jammed up more.

I have seen serveral occosaions that you have been unable to climb onto stuff due to the inability to steer though ..

non power steer and pissy 31's here and I found that the biggest problem is when in a tight spot you can not turn quick enough to avoid the trouble spots

Also means the energy you put into steering while the wheels are jammed against rocks etc diverts your attention from wheel placement etc meaning that often manual steer will prevent you from driving a tricky spot cleanly

I would go power steer ASAP even more so with bigger tyres not cause the bigger tyres make it that much harder but more cause you are going to get into worse spots with bigger tyres, if you not going to get into worse spots the 35"s are for bling factor and go find a duf duf BB

Another factor affecting steering effort is scrub radius. Changing offset on the same width tyres will affect the scrub radius, and can increase steering effort. Going to taller tyres on the same rims can also affect scrub radius (on most vehicles - don't know so much about solid front ends...)

Cheers,

Scott

I had 35`s with no power steering for 5 years with lockers F/R bit of a biatch to steer on the rocks and also not good on the steering rack

im doing it...it sucks

hehe soudsn liek fun i wasnt sure if the height of the trye mae much differnt when adding width... but as u said when deflated u got more sidewall to turn

guess i wil go the whole lot:)

21st presents sound good!!!

ok thanks all

guess guna have to go power steer one day!!!
chrsi yeah that sounds like a great bday present !!!!
that and lotsa drinks

a mate stripped the splines in his boss on his steering wheel without P/S.

another factor is how big you mono

its not that bad really. you can cope without it, you just have to expect what the steering wheel is gonna do.

MaccA

i drove a friends 75 series with 35' claws and no p/s seemed ok to me just harder to turn no big loss just means u'll get muscles.

flynn

I ran 35's -28 offset rims on my MQ (No P/S) and it wasn't to bad and that much diffrent to 31's on feel when you turn. Sure P/s would be nice but i found other things a priority to spend my money on and all this "it detracts from wheel placement" if you've got an eye on whats happening and as does your spotter that's the best chances you have p/s or no p/s. I've seen many cases where people have been in a bad situation with p/s and vice versa.

There's far to many "soft" opinions out there

I have 32's and no P/S but I will be putting it on. I recon that with P/S you have a few more line options. I get sometimes have to work my butt off just to get it going where I want it to and I am a BIG bloke in a 1200kg 4wd.

BUT! you gota know what your wheels are doing or you can brake stuff. one thing that helps is to not try turning too much ( lock to lock) when you are sitting still. even slow movement will help reduce a lot of the strain on components.

I like P/S but then I don't mind brakin stuff coz it's just an excuses to go bigger

flynn wrote:i drove a friends 75 series with 35' claws and no p/s seemed ok to me just harder to turn no big loss just means u'll get muscles.

flynn

must have the most povo pack 75 eva with no power steering.


NICK

or maybe his p/s pump or somthing broke, doesnt mean it didnt come out with it.

MQ080 wrote:I ran 35's -28 offset rims on my MQ (No P/S) and it wasn't to bad and that much diffrent to 31's on feel when you turn. Sure P/s would be nice but i found other things a priority to spend my money on and all this "it detracts from wheel placement" if you've got an eye on whats happening and as does your spotter that's the best chances you have p/s or no p/s. I've seen many cases where people have been in a bad situation with p/s and vice versa.

There's far to many "soft" opinions out there

Yeah but everyone had to put up with your whinging about no power steering all the time

I run 33's (285/75/16) with no power steering. On the road at full pressure it is no problem. At below 10psi in the hard stuff you really have to fight the wheel at times but it gets by OK. As others have said, the tyre width and rim offset (swept area) make the biggest difference.