Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Just curious in terms of what is available for newer models in SWB with genuine 4x4 capability.

I am aware of the Pajero R / X SWB and the Jeep options, but haven't been able to find much else.

Not really interested in things like the RAV 4 etc, as these are more off an off roader as opposed to being for serious 4x4'ing.

Is anyone out there aware of any other's available.

Cheers

Defender 90? Is that still available?

I believe Mitsubishi has either stopped, or is about to stop (again) selling the shorty Paj - but I read that Toyota are about to release a shorty Prado.

rubicon is the only serious swb 4x4 around factory fitted lockers , 4:1 transfer case and elec disconects .

or you could geta jimny

or there was that shorty GU on ebay

jeep.

-Scott- wrote:Defender 90? Is that still available?

I believe Mitsubishi has either stopped, or is about to stop (again) selling the shorty Paj - but I read that Toyota are about to release a shorty Prado.

you can still get the D90, but i can be an expensive option. Great cars, with a great motor.

Other than that, if you want live axle front end in the compact size's in a updated format,

Jeep
D90
Jimny

Other than that, you will be back to the
GQ SWB
Bundy
Zooks
etc

Reddo wrote: you can still get the D90, but i can be an expensive option. Great cars, with a great motor.


etc

No you can't. Not new. Latest one you will find is going to be 2005. That would be my choice. Has a decent tow capacity too, which is something the Jeep doesnt

I just got myself a Jeep JK Diesel auto with renegade pack (so soft top, hard top and premium doof doof).

I quite like it.

Although here are some quick points I found on the Jeep JK:

-They're built badly. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't had a Jap or Kraut car before.
-They're a bit skittish on rough roads and I think they always will be due to the short control arms in the arse end coupled with a lack of weight. Good suspension will go a long way to fix this but not eliminate it. Its a shorty thing.
-The 6spd manual is crap. The clutch is crap. The clutch pedal hydraulic system is crap. The dual mass flywheel on the diesel is crap. The diff ratios are crap (3.21:1 unless you get a Rubicon or an Auto). Just avoid is the safest bet.
-The 5spd auto with the CRD is dumb. It will either labour the motor or rev its guts out. However it is strong as an ox and gear changes are pretty smooth. Huge oil capacity. It is normally found attached to the back of V8s over in the USA so the 4cyl CRD won't stress it.
-The 4spd auto with the petrols will overheat and set fire to the vehicle.
-The petrol has no torque under 2000rpm whatsoever. Clutch life and starter motor life will be poor. It also has a healthy thirst for Unleaded.

There's heaps more I really dislike about the vehicle coming from Patrols but at the same time its not so bad. Nothing is perfect and there's plenty of ways to fix alot of the problems.



edit: don't I have all the positive news today. I'm wondering how I still like it. lol

Yom wrote:I just got myself a Jeep JK Diesel auto with renegade pack (so soft top, hard top and premium doof doof).

I quite like it.

Although here are some quick points I found on the Jeep JK:

-They're built badly. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't had a Jap or Kraut car before.
-They're a bit skittish on rough roads and I think they always will be due to the short control arms in the arse end coupled with a lack of weight. Good suspension will go a long way to fix this but not eliminate it. Its a shorty thing.
-The 6spd manual is crap. The clutch is crap. The clutch pedal hydraulic system is crap. The dual mass flywheel on the diesel is crap. The diff ratios are crap (3.21:1 unless you get a Rubicon or an Auto). Just avoid is the safest bet.
-The 5spd auto with the CRD is dumb. It will either labour the motor or rev its guts out. However it is strong as an ox and gear changes are pretty smooth. Huge oil capacity. It is normally found attached to the back of V8s over in the USA so the 4cyl CRD won't stress it.
-The 4spd auto with the petrols will overheat and set fire to the vehicle.
-The petrol has no torque under 2000rpm whatsoever. Clutch life and starter motor life will be poor. It also has a healthy thirst for Unleaded.

There's heaps more I really dislike about the vehicle coming from Patrols but at the same time its not so bad. Nothing is perfect and there's plenty of ways to fix alot of the problems.
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The biggest advantage that the JK's have over the TJ's is that the braked capacity has gone up from the TJ's piddly 900kg's to 1600kg's.

If i could have afforded a D-90 when i bought the jeep i probably would have gone that way but at the time they were $47,000 or something which is almost $20k more than i paid for the jeep new and that's ridiculous. Awesome little trucks the D-90s

cheers

What is the definition of a SWB? I always kind of thought, SWB - 90", MWB - 100", LWB - 110" plus, but I see that a SWB NS Paj is 100" anyway. Which means that a discovery could be a "SWB".

chimpboy wrote:What is the definition of a SWB? I always kind of thought, SWB - 90", MWB - 100", LWB - 110" plus, but I see that a SWB NS Paj is 100" anyway. Which means that a discovery could be a "SWB".

More importantly why can't we just decide to go Metric?

chimpboy wrote:What is the definition of a SWB?

Shorter then a LWB.

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

chimpboy wrote:What is the definition of a SWB?

Shorter then a LWB.

generally i think people look at it as 2 doors.... i know the 2 door 4runner etc is longer.....

Hi guys, thanks for the info, in my opinion, I would define SWB as a shorter version of an existing LWB with 2 doors.

In regards to the Jimny option, I think probably the biggest weakness would be that they are very narrow. Apart from this, how would they compare to say a SWB Pajero or Jeep for 4WD capability?

-Scott- wrote:Defender 90? Is that still available?

I believe Mitsubishi has either stopped, or is about to stop (again) selling the shorty Paj - but I read that Toyota are about to release a shorty Prado.

Is there any info on the Prado on the web anywhere?

bj on roids wrote:

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

chimpboy wrote:What is the definition of a SWB?

Shorter then a LWB.

generally i think people look at it as 2 doors.... i know the 2 door 4runner etc is longer.....

!

acs012 wrote:

-Scott- wrote:Defender 90? Is that still available?

I believe Mitsubishi has either stopped, or is about to stop (again) selling the shorty Paj - but I read that Toyota are about to release a shorty Prado.

Is there any info on the Prado on the web anywhere?

www.google.com.au
http://www.theage.com.au/drive/motor-ne ... -fnfg.html
http://www.drivearabia.com/news/2009/09 ... -surfaces/

chimpboy wrote:

bj on roids wrote:

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

chimpboy wrote:What is the definition of a SWB?

Shorter then a LWB.

generally i think people look at it as 2 doors.... i know the 2 door 4runner etc is longer.....

!

looks like my Shorty.

bj on roids wrote:

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

chimpboy wrote:What is the definition of a SWB?

Shorter then a LWB.

generally i think people look at it as 2 doors.... i know the 2 door 4runner etc is longer.....

longer than what?
325mm shorter wheel base than a hilux!

acs012 wrote:Hi guys, thanks for the info, in my opinion, I would define SWB as a shorter version of an existing LWB with 2 doors.

In regards to the Jimny option, I think probably the biggest weakness would be that they are very narrow. Apart from this, how would they compare to say a SWB Pajero or Jeep for 4WD capability?

The jimny would have better standard offroad capabilities to the paj but the jeeps standard are better then the jimny, the only other thing is that the jimnys burn no fuel and the jeeps like to drink it unless you get a new diesl one

my uncle and my old apprentice both have jimnys bog stock and even owning a sierra i'm very impressed with their capability! Theyre tough, reliable and cheap to fix when you do eventually bend it. Not sure the same can be said for jeeps.

if its just beach work and/or not much modifying neccessary the 2dr vitaras are pretty decent too - and they have bigger engines than the sierra/jimny =P

alien wrote:my uncle and my old apprentice both have jimnys bog stock and even owning a sierra i'm very impressed with their capability! Theyre tough, reliable and cheap to fix when you do eventually bend it. Not sure the same can be said for jeeps.

if its just beach work and/or not much modifying neccessary the 2dr vitaras are pretty decent too - and they have bigger engines than the sierra/jimny =P

I'm all for sierras, but "tough" and "reliable" aren't really words I'd use to describe a jimny.

Steve.

meh - maybe i've seen the 2 best ones then? lol no break downs and theyve both been belted just as hard (if not harder trying to get up a tricky section) than my sierra. No breakages yet (fingers crossed for them). like i said though - theyre both stock - so control arms and CVs etc arent being abused like they would with larger tyres etc.

Before he sold his jimny, my mate and i used to go 4wding all the place for years. Over the years the biggest differences were: the jimny couldn't idle up steep inclines particularly if there was a lot of articulation. The TJ's have an idle antistall and with feet off the pedals they just idle up the steepest climbs like a diesel. Even now when i'm about to hit a knarly climb i just flick the airlocker switches and take my feet off all the pedals and just steer, the TJ simply walks up under idle power. The jimny really struggled in this terrain. On really twisty stuff the jimny needed lots of revs to overcome the stalling issue so slipping the clutch was commonplace until all you could smell was burning clutch. On the beach it struggled to take off from a standstill in the soft stuff so much so that you needed low range just to get moving whereas the jeep just powered off. We tried plenty on the beach to do a donut but it just couldn't do it. In the jeep just stomp the pedal and you're sideways.

It was a great little car and went everywhere and never ever got bogged (it was too light). He had a 2" lift, bfg's and a few extras:




cheers

ROK88 wrote:The jimny would have better standard offroad capabilities to the paj

Horses for courses, I'd say. There will be some circumstances where the Jimny's smaller size & lighter weight are a benefit, but in stock form, for all types of off-road driving, I'd expect the Paj to generally do things easier. Primarily because of the bigger tyres, more power, good rear LSD, standard traction control, optional rear diff lock, and (I expect) better ground clearance.

Live axles aren't automatically superior.

On the beach it struggled to take off from a standstill in the soft stuff so much so that you needed low range just to get moving whereas the jeep just powered off.

you expect to use low range in a zook. high range is basically useless in them.

one of my mates has had a tj and a jimny similar capabilities id say.

another mate has a jk and i must admit its very capable.

personally id go a jimny or a jk wrangler.

chimpboy wrote:

bj on roids wrote:

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

chimpboy wrote:What is the definition of a SWB?

Shorter then a LWB.

generally i think people look at it as 2 doors.... i know the 2 door 4runner etc is longer.....

!

exactly, the 2 door 4runners etc which are long-ish wheelbase, but not a SWB

just get a X-90

shortyq wrote:

bj on roids wrote:

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

chimpboy wrote:What is the definition of a SWB?

Shorter then a LWB.

generally i think people look at it as 2 doors.... i know the 2 door 4runner etc is longer.....

longer than what?
325mm shorter wheel base than a hilux!

still longer than an FJ40 and a SWB GQ, and any suzuki sierra...

I have just been looking at the Suzuki Grand Vitara. From the info on the web, it is constant 4WD, but does have 4H, 4L, and lock. Any thoughts on this as an option for a capable SWB 4WD?

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one of my mates has had a tj and a jimny similar capabilities id say.

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Get your hand off it.

A stock TJ would smash a Jimny on any terrain..