Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hey there

i was just wondering what is involved in putting a 454 chev in an 80 series landcruiser, i have the 4.5lt petrol 1995 model

You will probably need to remove the 4.5 first.

Then find a gearbox, that will handle a 454

A diff that wont explode behind the 454 will help as well

best be on the safe side and get 2 diffs for that 4x4

It has been done before there is a guy on offroad80's i think with the 454. I seen in a street machine mag you can get Ls1 blocks in 454 now... Expensive motor but you can get the adapters from Marks for the ls1 to 80 series. The guy with the 454 was replacing the gearbox every 60,000kms because they got to noisy

a transfer case in the middle

454 is just wank...

355 stroker, smaller, lighter and will fit...


oh and plenty powerful 650hp+

x2 zoltan
big hunk of shit
i bet you would get better every thing out of a inj ls1 than an old carbd truck 454 motor

Wally (80ute) runs a big block in his 80Series dual cab and that thing hauls arse big time and it sounds good too.

http://www.offroad80s.com/my-80-ute-t1152.html

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic134 ... hlight=454

I think unless it's for street and show factor it's going to be pure wank offroad. Big, heavy, fuel guzzling lump of boat anchor.

How will you manage heat

How will you strengthen the ENTIRE driveline

How do you expect to get ANY kind of range out of the fuel.

I'm sure it's physically possible to get it in, most things are. It comes down to money and practicality but.

EDIT: I don't doubt for a minute though that it will sound horn as fark and go like stink on the road though

why do people not considering whacking a turbo on the 1FZ?

A buddy of mine in SA here has an MS75 Crown with a turbo 1FZ making 499rwkw on a stock bottom end (has a copper headgasket and 2JZGTE ARP headstuds) He is very confident that a

His setup would be probably too laggy for wheeling but I dont see why 300rwkw and a smaller less laggy turbo wouldnt suffice

a 1.06 housing GT35R would be nearly perfect and they can be had for easy money (under $1K) seeing as thats what the XR6 Turbo falcon runs. Would return much better fuel economy than a 454 as well

Cos putting a turbo on anything not designed for it is expensive and to get it to run right and if it would last is questionable. Whereas a stock standard V8 is built to last a long time a create a fair whack of power.

i have a turbo 80 for 6 years built it all makes 189 kw @ 4 on straight gas
at 9psi all day no cooler and 35s prob make 250kw @ 12 psi and norm tyers

my gear box just handles it front diff breakes so do the back
but not as often a big block will just brake every drive line part
cost at least 10000 on upgrades just to handle it maybe
454 a stock one to much weight for power
502 injected just to much power for the drive line stick to the turbo idear
or small block350 if you need more build a 400 chev

people do,,, i will be when i get some more cash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ9Iqjlg_iE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4AlRtexS5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNxPGBPd ... re=related

they get fzj100's over there when only got the fzj105's

Kitika wrote:Cos putting a turbo on anything not designed for it is expensive and to get it to run right and if it would last is questionable. Whereas a stock standard V8 is built to last a long time a create a fair whack of power.

wow...I heard it was an old school way of thinking around here but I didnt think it was that old school

why would you say a V8 is going to be more reliable that a low boost turbo 1FZ?

IF they werent so heavy id have one in my drift car in a heartbeat

Some funny stereotyping of big blocks here, mostly by those who have never head one, I dare say.

Everyone should have a big block at least once in thier life

My last big block was a 454 inb a 40 series using 60 diffs and 75 steering with a stretched wheelbase and tubbed fenders.

It was nothing crazy just ls7 spec with a better cam, a good exhaust with hand made extractors, a tidy up of the ports, and built for torque, had a 800 cfm quaddy on it, and made 240 hp at the wheels on 36"swampers on the fast idle on the dyno. Would pick the front wheels up in 1st gear, and just the left front in 2nd gear.

I ran stock 40 front cv's with front and rear lockers, and never broke one, because you could get off the throttle when you had to, and on the highway on 36"swampers it would return in the 16's per 100km.

Drive it fast in the bush [with stock 4.11's it would wind the speedo off the dial with 10 psi in the swampers, do tha math, thats over 200kph!] it would get thirsty up to 25 lt per 100km, but those No's are no worse than a stock 4.5 or 4.2 pootrol on larger tyres.

I have also had intercooled turbo 1FZ's back in 1996 [everyones seen my old 80 "stormin norman"from woodpecker 09] and I currently drive a supercharged and intercooled one in an 80 now, both use about the same or more than a big block, but the big block makes more low down torque, sounds better, and makes more power easier, though the 1fz with mods is an easy bolt on for a couple of hunderd kw at the tyres, big block great if you want another 100 on that.

Assassin_Offroad wrote: My last big block was a 454 inb a 40 series using 60 diffs and 75 steering with a stretched wheelbase and tubbed fenders.

Ha, mine too!

Kitika wrote:
Cos putting a turbo on anything not designed for it is expensive and to get it to run right and if it would last is questionable. Whereas a stock standard V8 is built to last a long time a create a fair whack of power.


wow...I heard it was an old school way of thinking around here but I didnt think it was that old school

why would you say a V8 is going to be more reliable that a low boost turbo 1FZ?

IF they werent so heavy id have one in my drift car in a heartbeat

You have to deal with the higher temps in the combustion chamber playing havoc with the pistons+head that weren't designed for it, the hot air causing pinging/detonation (extra cost of intercooling)(possible having to lower compression), getting the timing curve set up right, Upgrading injectors, having to run on high/really high octane fuel etc etc. It's never easy or cheap to run a car with forced induction as I found with my old 1hz. There is no replacement for displacement I reckon! GM designed their Ls1 to create 220kw all day every day with no fuss and have good fuel economy to boot. You can buy a good Ls1 for about $2500 compare that to the cost of your turbo/intercooler/tuning/engine upgrades to take the power. Plus V8's sound way cooooler

hdj105 wrote:

Assassin_Offroad wrote: My last big block was a 454 inb a 40 series using 60 diffs and 75 steering with a stretched wheelbase and tubbed fenders.

Ha, mine too!

Sorry for the HiJack.

Does the 40 still exist?

LOCKEE wrote: Does the 40 still exist?

Yep, still lives in Melb. AFAIK.

yep,

new owner rang to ask a question about the clutch afew months ago, it was still going then.